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never too early to start making plans.
360 miles from Klamath Falls to Deschutes Rec. Area, 75% dirt, fully self-supported.
Details here:
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ripper
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:56 pm
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75 mile section in the Oregon high desert with no water access? Seems legit.
This seems fun, and I could be up for it.
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:26 pm
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yes.
is it a pay type of thing where you ride with big groups?
cuz we could always just do it another date too.
axel
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:34 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
yes.
is it a pay type of thing where you ride with big groups?
cuz we could always just do it another date too.
no entry fee. no support.
if you get in trouble, no one's coming to bail you out.
no group riding unless you want to ride with a buddy (or make some new friends on the way).
the official "race" start is May 23, which conveniently puts the finish around Memorial Day weekend.
Velodirt wrote:
not an official bike event – it’s free, unsupported, and we are simply providing a route and a bit of logistical help. Otherwise you are completely on your own.
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lantius
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:15 pm
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The only big group, paid support ride I do in May is Ben Country.
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:29 am
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I'm into this.
Ben- do you know what are the largest tires that will fit on the double cross?
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lantius
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:19 am
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Ben's got those Bruce Gordon Rock'n'Roads on there, and I daresay they seem pretty sweet.
I oughta pick me up a set too, while BG is still a going concern.
drdiatom
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:59 am
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lantius wrote:
The only big group, paid support ride I do in May is Ben Country.
speaking of which, please don't have ben country the same weekend as this ride! :(
mother's day is 5/11 and the oregon outback is 5/23 to ~5/26 so nothing should overlap anyways :)
Jessica
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:37 am
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lantius wrote:
I oughta pick me up a set too, while BG is still a going concern.
Let me know if you do... I'll split shipping with you
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:57 am
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yeah jessica, the R&R is theeee fatest tire that you could possibly fit on it.
and they are awesome. just keep your wheels true cuz you only have ~3 mm of clearance.
i could bring it out sometime if'n you wanna see it.
also, OREGON.
also, BC will either be May 3rd or 10th.
lantius
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:04 am
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I should pick a date and post a thread.
Andrew_Squirrel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:19 am
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I'm now considering joining some of you.
I feel like my only concern, at this point, is water. I am a thirsty piggie and the only aspect of the last bike tour that shook me to the core was riding through the Colville Reservation in eastern WA and running out of water early in the day and not seeing a single stream, spigot or gas station until well into the afternoon.
Reassure me?
derrickito
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:32 am
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you can drink your pee once and be ok. you can drink my pee too.
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derrickito wrote:
you can drink your pee once and be ok. you can drink my pee* too.
* Derrick's pee is not guaranteed to be safe or healthy in any way.
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:30 pm
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Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I'm now considering joining some of you.
I feel like my only concern, at this point, is water. I am a thirsty piggie and the only aspect of the last bike tour that shook me to the core was riding through the Colville Reservation in eastern WA and running out of water early in the day and not seeing a single stream, spigot or gas station until well into the afternoon.
Reassure me?
Running out of water sucks. I don't think that is a huge concern on this one though. Even biking through 113 temperatures I only went through about 7 or 8 liters. A large camelback wiill hold 100oz or about 3 liters of water. Two regular water bottles will hold about 1.5 liters more. So that puts you at 4.5 liters already. I also found it pretty easy to stash a couple of extra bottles in my panniers. This isn't something to be taken lightly, but with a little planning it isn't that big a deal.
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drdiatom
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:39 pm
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Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I'm now considering joining some of you.
Reassure me?
You've got six months to get your body acclimated to drinking pee and filtering out the toxins for re-use.
I for one am looking forward to this thread resurfacing and seeing all the yes but no's when the time comes.
Don't forget to quote this if I yes but no myself.
Don't worry; filled it'll only double the weight of your unloaded bike.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:25 pm
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lantius wrote:
I should pick a date and post a thread.
i think i'll wait until 2 weeks before to open it up to the planning committee.
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i will be out on thursday. if anyone would like a sample of pee, just let me know.
axel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:27 pm
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looks like the longest stretch of the route without water access is the 70-mile run between Fort Rock and the Prineville Reservoir. if you make it to Highway 20 and are low on water, you can take the road East to Brothers and resupply there (there's a rest area and bathrooms). doing so will add 14 miles to your day (7 miles out/back), but it's better than going dry before getting to Prineville.
the other part to worry about is the 60-mile stretch from 'last water' in Shaniko to the finish at Deschutes Rec. Area. you should be able to pull off the route and resupply along Hwy 97 in either Grass Valley or Moro if needed.
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:36 pm
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tour like a man.
there's water in beer.
amirite, fred?
caustic meatloaf
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
tour like a man.
there's water in beer.
amirite, fred?
goddamn right. when I rode RedSpoke a few years ago, I was the *only* person to go to the store afterwards and pick up a six pack. I was not allowed to drink it on the HS property we were staying at for one of the stops, so I ended up crossing the street and drinking it there. Belted out 80 miles the next day.
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lantius
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:45 pm
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There's probably not going to be any snow to mix with the dregs of the bourbon, will there be?
I'm getting more excited about this, especially as the sun is setting right now at 4:30pm. I need something to hope for on the far side of this dark winter.
axel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:52 pm
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drdiatom wrote:
You've got six months to get your body acclimated to drinking pee and filtering out the toxins for re-use.
cue 'Rocky' training music and montage...
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:56 pm
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lantius wrote:
There's probably not going to be any snow to mix with the dregs of the bourbon, will there be?
good point.
the ride is in may and goes above 5000 ft.
now, i'ma gonna assume the planners have taken this into account, and oregon is a magical land.
Andrew_Squirrel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:41 pm
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Ok, I'm reassured. I just requested a chunk of time off work. Let's do this!
What is everyone thinking of mileage per day?
This also gives me a reason to finish building the Orange Elephant before the spring.
axel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:54 pm
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Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
What is everyone thinking of mileage per day?
Day 1: Klamath Falls to Silver Lake. 120 miles.
Day 2: Silver Lake to Prineville Reservoir. 90 miles.
Day 3: Prineville Res. to Shaniko. 90 miles.
Day 4: Shaniko to Deschutes Rec. Area. 60 miles.
-- if not taking shuttle to PDX --
Bonus Day 5: Deschutes Rec. Area to Ainsworth State Park. 69 miles.
(if I get to Hood River and I'm tired, I'll stay in Hood River)
Bonus Day 6: Ainsworth to Portland. 35 miles.
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:06 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
lantius wrote:
There's probably not going to be any snow to mix with the dregs of the bourbon, will there be?
good point.
the ride is in may and goes above 5000 ft.
now, i'ma gonna assume the planners have taken this into account, and oregon is a magical land.
a couple summers ago, Sarah and I did the Adventure Cycling Sierra Cascades route that does a lot of this terrain (but paved) and there was for sure still tons of snow at elevation; crater lake, Mt hood, Bachelor, etc were all still very snowy and it was 4th of July week we did this (we read about monika's fall from the bar at Gov't Camp)
I'm interested in this ride, you think the 29'er hardtail would be okay with some touring enhancements? fat-bike up my crosscheck?
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axel
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:27 pm
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langston wrote:
I'm interested in this ride, you think the 29'er hardtail would be okay with some touring enhancements? fat-bike up my crosscheck?
Velodirt wrote:
This is always the most asked about section, but the hardest to write. I personally wouldn’t ride this on anything smaller than MTB tires. The route is not particularly rough, but there are significant sections of loose gravel. If you go skinnier than ~1.9″, you’ll suffer. I rode a Surly Ogre with 2.1″ tires with some tread (photo). I thought it was the perfect setup and I’ll ride this exact setup next time. I didn’t feel like the fat tires slowed me down enough on the pavement to justify going skinner.
Gabe rode a Salsa LaCruz with 42c tires with little tread and had trouble on several long sections (photo). Walking is no fun.
While most bikepacking routes are not well suited to the rack-and-pannier setup, you’d be fine on this route. It’s not that rough. However, I much prefer bikepacking setups like those made by Revelate.
I trust Donnie's advice here and will bring the rigid 29er with my favorite front rack.
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Charcharodon Megladon
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:48 am
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axel wrote:
Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
What is everyone thinking of mileage per day?
Day 1: Klamath Falls to Silver Lake. 120 miles.
Day 2: Silver Lake to Prineville Reservoir. 90 miles.
Day 3: Prineville Res. to Shaniko. 90 miles.
Day 4: Shaniko to Deschutes Rec. Area. 60 miles.
-- if not taking shuttle to PDX --
Bonus Day 5: Deschutes Rec. Area to Ainsworth State Park. 69 miles.
(if I get to Hood River and I'm tired, I'll stay in Hood River)
Bonus Day 6: Ainsworth to Portland. 35 miles.
I like the bonus days. Poprad disc with rock n roads it is. Christ, pretty goddamn stoked and this is like 6 friggin months away.
Also psilocybin.
blasdelf
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:42 pm
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Charcharodon Megladon wrote:
Also psilocybin.
these and other safety products figure largely in my plan for this
help all those miles of railtrail stay interesting
tripping balls bombing down Stevens Canyon at 50mph with you when we RAMR3D some years back was fucking killer
ripper
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:35 am
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since most people seem to be looking toward to the Rock 'n' road, do you think I can roll this on hetres, or should I look toward getting a pair of racing ralphs/quasi-motos?
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:16 am
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I'm thinking WTB Nanos.
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caustic meatloaf
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:24 am
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will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:24 pm
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
no.
joeball
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:52 pm
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
Only if you use them at super low pressure on a tubeless setup. I'm thinking no more than 2 bar.
lantius
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:57 pm
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
I think they'll probably be well-suited to hanging on the hook in your apartment when you yes, but no this.
blasdelf
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:14 am
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ripper wrote:
since most people seem to be looking toward to the Rock 'n' road, do you think I can roll this on hetres, or should I look toward getting a pair of racing ralphs/quasi-motos?
I've been asking mutual friends of the organizers, it turns out the dude who had trouble on "slick 42mm tires" was actually on small 35s
It's possible you'll be just fine on Hetres, I'm still investigating.
If you wanted to ride something radder, the new Thunder Burt seems like it'll be an awesome choice, maybe with a 2.1" Racing Ralph in front. The width should be just under 50mm, seems like it'll be the best fit for you.
The QM is 52mm and noticably slower, the 2.25" Ralph is 54mm at the knobs
blasdelf
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:54 am
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Matthew wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
will my 35mm Schwalbe Marathons be suitable for this ride?
Only if you use them at super low pressure on a tubeless setup. I'm thinking no more than 2 bar.
1. He is way too fucking fat for that
2. He'd need tubeless rims to have any hope of conversion
3. even then those are a really bad choice of tire for it
The Rock n' Roads are 43mm wide, if you can fit them they really are one of the more reliable choices for this terrain on a touring bike, if you're gonna yes and yes to this ride.
If those won't fit comfortably, the Clement MSO is the next best smaller tire, actual measurement will be 37-38.5 depending on how wide your rims are. Definitely get the fancy 120tpi version, not just for the weight savings and suppleness, but because it also adds dual-compound rubber, the corners are noticeably stickier.
If that still won't fit (medium reach caliper brakes?) and you think you can ride light / yolo, the Kenda Small Block 8 in 35mm is your next best choice, they should be almost true to size. You could substitute a Slant 6 on the front to bias the traction better, which gets more important when you have less of it.
If you pick up any of these tires for this, don't go riding on em all winter beforehand. The whole point of rad tires for dirt is not just the tread pattern but the much grippier faster-wearing rubber — if you commute / thursday on them you'll wear them down and have neither.
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