1. Hammock with a sleeping bag rated to ten to twenty degrees cooler than the low temp forecasted.
2. A pool noodle.
Choose wisely.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:20 pm
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Bo Ttorff wrote:
When scouting this location did you guys camp?
I'm curious at this elevation how cold it gets and how this would affect one's packing strategy.
I mean, if a free Derrick breakfast (likely an egg mcmuffin or corn dog) means freezing your balls off with a pool noodle is your thing more power to ya, but I'm curious which bag I should bring.
mountaineering rule of thumb:
all things being equal, the temp drops 1 degree roughly every 300ft of elevation gained.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:36 pm
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karadactyl
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:54 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
-Ride larger tires than 23's. SRSLY. I'd suggest atleast 28's.
-Pack as light as you can, as this will make the ride easier.
-There is plenty of water along the route, but we'll need to pump it from streams.
-As a 26"er, I'm thinking my 1.25's are okay, but would knobby 1.5's be better?
-Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 tent? Or any Big Agnes products for shelter? I can get them through QBP much cheaper than other lightweight backpacking tents.
-Does someone have a pump for this water, or should we fashion our own out of PVC and magic?
Rogelio
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:01 pm
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karadactyl wrote:
Does someone have a pump for this water, or should we fashion our own out of PVC and magic?
I've got a gravity setup; it ain't big, but it works and you aren't gonna be sore
from pumping.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:05 pm
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Rogelio wrote:
you aren't gonna be sore from pumping.
Well I like the sound of that...
Andrew_Squirrel
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:23 pm
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OMFG, I am so excited for this, thanks research team, yous my heros
-As a 26"er, I'm thinking my 1.25's are okay, but would knobby 1.5's be better?
-Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 tent? Or any Big Agnes products for shelter? I can get them through QBP much cheaper than other lightweight backpacking tents.
-Does someone have a pump for this water, or should we fashion our own out of PVC and magic?
Not sure an extra quarter of an inch will make a big difference in float, but the knobs will definitely slow you down on pavement. If a file tread won't make a difference (says Fred), then I can't imagine knobs are any better. But you should take the advice of the folks who reconned this.
I had a BA Fly Creek UL1 that I used for touring with Jessica, Fred and Andre last summer. I liked it with one caveat: it was narrow in the foot area, so my sleeping bag brushed the sides and got wet from condensation. Other than that, roomy enough for me, and it was light as advertised - at or below bivy weight light, but above hammock weight. Packs reasonably small too. I upgraded to the BA UL2 this year (thanks to REI's generous return policy) to get extra room on the end away from the door. The weight and packed size penalty over the UL1 is practically negligible (like 4 oz heavier or so). If you buy it, it's got very thin fabric, so definitely get the ground cloth too.
In general, a lot of the long distance tourers say the thumb rule is for any brand of tent, buy a N+1 person tent, where N is the number of people you actually plan to sleep with in the tent. I tried the BA UL2 tent with a friend of mine who's not a serious camper. I'd say based on our experience if you're willing to spoon or use a two person bag, the UL2 would in fact be big enough for two, but not by much. As for being big enough to get dressed with privacy, you can pull it off but it feels like playing Twister by yourself. There is hardly enough room for one dresser.
I've got a gravity filter too. It'll only do 4 L at a time. But I figure enough folks will have one that you shouldn't go buy one, Kara... I might not even bring mine since so many will have one.
Andrew_Squirrel
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 pm
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Also, Lulz at the JimmyComeLately Creek along the way
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:58 pm
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karadactyl wrote:
the dreaded ben wrote:
-Ride larger tires than 23's. SRSLY. I'd suggest atleast 28's.
-Pack as light as you can, as this will make the ride easier.
-There is plenty of water along the route, but we'll need to pump it from streams.
-As a 26"er, I'm thinking my 1.25's are okay, but would knobby 1.5's be better?
-Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 tent? Or any Big Agnes products for shelter? I can get them through QBP much cheaper than other lightweight backpacking tents.
-Does someone have a pump for this water, or should we fashion our own out of PVC and magic?
- 1.25 are fine. you don't need knobbies at all. it's all really nice hardpack.
- Big agnes tents are rad, including the fly creek. although, i'd suggest the 2 person, as it's the same size as everyone else's 1 person.
- I have a pump.
caustic meatloaf
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:21 am
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"it's all really nice hardpack".
JUST LIKE LAST YEAR.
/nevarforget
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axel
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:55 am
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I'm pretty sure your pickup will be fine.
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joeball
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:20 am
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
"it's all really nice hardpack".
JUST LIKE LAST YEAR.
/nevarforget
Just use that slit down your pool noodle and wrap it around your front bike tire for all the extra flotation you could ever want.
joeball
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:33 am
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Matthew wrote:
joeball wrote:
Looks like the correct shelter options are:
1. Hammock with a sleeping bag rated to ten to twenty degrees cooler than the low temp forecasted.
2. A pool noodle.
Choose wisely.
I took this picture to highlight the ample and ideal hammock setting.
The trees also make it super easy to rig a pole-less tarp shelter.
There is plenty of flat area for tent, bivy, pool noodles too. Even some nice animal straw bedding from last year.
blasdelf
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:42 am
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axel wrote:
I'm bringing the warm-weather bivy, 55-degree bag + liner, thermarest pad and a jacket - not my one-person tent or my comfy 35-degree bag. should be enough to not die, but I expect to be a little cold. I'll add a small tarp if it looks like there's moisture in the forecast.
SPOILER ALERT: the Olympics are moist
it's a rain shadow not a desert
axel
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:19 am
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axel wrote:
moisture
I have a talent for understating the blatantly obvious.
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caustic meatloaf
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:38 pm
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axel wrote:
I'm pretty sure your pickup will be fine.
As much shit as I love to flip about it, I actually look back on that rough ride with pride, over achievements completed, foes bested, and difficulties overcome.
And I hope there's decent parking nearby.
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Rogelio
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:59 pm
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
And I hope there's decent parking nearby.
the dreaded ben wrote:
Car Drivers:
1. There is very little parking, so please email me if you plan on driving. benthegreening@gmail.com
2. carpool.
3. If someone wants to meet us at the start and carry some shit, let me know.
4. You'll need a NW forest pass.
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joeball
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:32 pm
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karadactyl wrote:
the dreaded ben wrote:
-Ride larger tires than 23's. SRSLY. I'd suggest atleast 28's.
-Pack as light as you can, as this will make the ride easier.
-There is plenty of water along the route, but we'll need to pump it from streams.
-Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1 tent? Or any Big Agnes products for shelter? I can get them through QBP much cheaper than other lightweight backpacking tents.
-Does someone have a pump for this water, or should we fashion our own out of PVC and magic?
Big Agnes (BA) offers some of the lightest freestanding tents so the QBP hookup sounds like a pretty good deal.
The Fly Creek UL1 does look/seem very small but then again you are petite, so if you forsee more solo nights than double nights this is your lightest/cheapest (relative to other BA UL tents) option.
https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detail/Tent/FlyCreekUL1
If you do consider a 2-person tent and forsee sleeping with 2 people in the tent, then I'd suggest looking at the BA Copper Spur UL2. With 2 people in a tent I've found that 2 side doors are nice, less stepping on the other person's head as you climb in and out.
https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detail/Tent/copperspurul2
otherwise, the aqua mira drops are pretty nice and fast acting.
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J_Dada
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:48 pm
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Just got the Cross Check tuned up and put spare wheels on it. Ordered a rack, mini-panniers, and frame bag from our friends at Back Alley Bikes.
I need to buy a tent and sleeping bag/pad. Sleeping alone, thinking the Fly Creek UL2 should be good since I'm not exactly as small as Kara. Am I going to want the footprint to go with it?
Also could use suggestions on lightweight sleeping bag/pad options. I'm new to this camping shit.
donavanm
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:22 pm
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Im a huge fan of tarptent.com for ultralights. My contrail fits me + full touring gear at ~30 true ounces. last year I picked up a StratoSpire 2 which is Freaking Huge and weighs 55oz all in.
Bag wise Im happy with my REI Flash for spring and fall. Down top, synthetic bottom. Comfy in to the thirties. Full on winter use is a North Face Cats Meow bag. Its full synthetic yet quite light and compact. Downside its too hot for me if its 35-40 or above. Ive resorted to blanket mode a few times.
Either bag with an inflatable pad goes in to a Sea To Summit eVent compression sack. Will fit on top of a small rack, or Ive been hanging it off the handle bars recently. Ive had those eVent bags in the rain and mud for days at a time without a drop inside. My first one from 2006 is still going strong as well.
Windsphere
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:46 pm
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My tents just arrived today after much research, I picked up:
The Vestibule will work on both the one person and two person tent. This is last years model that is green (great for stealth camping) and is on sale. This years model is red and white.
I am shopping for a sleeping bag also. Russel recommended the Wiggys FTRSS (Flexible Temperature Range Sleep System. http://wiggys.com/category.cfm?Category=6. I was looking at a similar British military system. Wiggys seems better. It comes with two bags with different temperature ratings that can be zipped together for a warmer cold weather bag.
I watch a few youtube reviews and it seems like what I am looking for. I am interested in other recommendations.
Just got the Cross Check tuned up and put spare wheels on it. Ordered a rack, mini-panniers, and frame bag from our friends at Back Alley Bikes.
I need to buy a tent and sleeping bag/pad. Sleeping alone, thinking the Fly Creek UL2 should be good since I'm not exactly as small as Kara. Am I going to want the footprint to go with it?
Also could use suggestions on lightweight sleeping bag/pad options. I'm new to this camping shit.
If you buy any sil-nylon tent - which the BA UL tents like the Fly Creek are - spring for the footprint. You'll wear through the tent floor quickly otherwise.
massively lighter and stronger thanks to tubular 4130, and the design is almost impossible to beat at any price
Windsphere
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:24 pm
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derrickito wrote:
you going to buy 6 sleeping bags to go with all those tents?
No, just looking at two sleeping bags. Little does anyone know, I am a compulsive horder mmm eight sleeping bags. I might have room for them on the top of that stack of newspapers.
J_Dada
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:33 pm
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Matthew wrote:
J_Dada wrote:
Just got the Cross Check tuned up and put spare wheels on it. Ordered a rack, mini-panniers, and frame bag from our friends at Back Alley Bikes.
I need to buy a tent and sleeping bag/pad. Sleeping alone, thinking the Fly Creek UL2 should be good since I'm not exactly as small as Kara. Am I going to want the footprint to go with it?
Also could use suggestions on lightweight sleeping bag/pad options. I'm new to this camping shit.
If you buy any sil-nylon tent - which the BA UL tents like the Fly Creek are - spring for the footprint. You'll wear through the tent floor quickly otherwise.
Would you recommend some other type of tent/material that doesn't require a footprint? What is the tradeoff?
I'm aiming to buy everything from REI so if something doesn't work out as expected I can exchange it when I get back from BC and be better prepared for the next outing.
axel
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:26 pm
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J_Dada wrote:
Would you recommend some other type of tent/material that doesn't require a footprint? What is the tradeoff?
the only thing i can see that a footprint will do for you is offer a minimal degree of protection for the floor of your tent or sleeping pad from getting damaged from the ground. if you're careful and not pitching on sharp roots or rocks, you probably don't need one. the floor on my one-person tent is nearly 6 years old and I've never used it with a footprint.
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Windsphere
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:33 pm
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Speaking of footprints and BA Tents. I'm going to try the fly/footprint config on the ride this year. I figure there will be minimal bugs/critters so I'm leaving the netting home. This might be a great reason to pickup a footprint now rather than later after they discontinue your tent model
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Hey, could someone please donate $600K to my employer so we can cancel our fundraiser and I can attend this ride and make everyone mint juleps and wear a big hat?
karadactyl
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:00 pm
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Thanks to all of you for all the helpful gear info! Most of my camping experiences have involved someone with a car, or backpacking with people who had all the gears. Now does anyone have any cat litter buckets or Dick's mayo buckets laying around? I need to put my DFL prize from Prof. Dave's race to use before this ride...
donavanm
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:42 pm
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Windsphere wrote:
Russel recommended the Wiggys FTRSS
I have a variant of their Desert Bag they made a couple years ago. Pretty happy with it in general. The FTRSS looked too heavy and bulky for my tastes.
J_Dada wrote:
Would you recommend some other type of tent/material that doesn't require a footprint? What is the tradeoff?
Silicon Impregnated Nylon is the default for mid/upper end tents these days. The most common downside is it will stretch or sag slightly, especially when moist. There are other high zoot "fabrics", which are more like laminates, that are glued/sonic welded together instead of stiched. They're lighter and stronger, but $$$$ and limited supply. Just get silnylon.
axel wrote:
the floor on my one-person tent is nearly 6 years old and I've never used it with a footprint.
+1. Don't pitch on sharp pointy bits. The PNW is different from the SW for stuff like this. But if you do want a ground cloth get some Tyvek House Wrap from Jake. It's durable, folds & stores easily, totally waterproof, and basically free.
I'm going to stick to my original advice. If you're going to drop $300-$400 on a BA tent, just pony up the extra $50-60 and get the matching footprint. The extra layer between you and the ground is important for keeping dry and protecting the floor. It's easy to miss just one stone or pine cone or sharp stick and now you're out on the tent...
You can make your own footprint. I had a Eureka tent where you HAD to make your own footprint (it came with a giant rectangular sheet of tyvek). It ended up being a fuss; wouldn't do it again. But if you do make your own, make sure you cut it slightly smaller than the tent floor in all dimensions. If you make it bigger, water pools under your tent and soaks through the floor eventually.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:52 am
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You guys are funny.
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donavanm wrote:
Windsphere wrote:
J_Dada wrote:
axel wrote:
Matthew wrote:
limpyweta wrote:
I like whirring almonds, olive oil, and nanas together for a marizipanny sandwich with maple syrup, and cinnamon. missing french toast, and gummis, and nashi with tapioca. Fuck this thread.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:46 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:46 am
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Windsphere wrote:
What front rack would you recommend. Couple of rides ago I saw Fred's front rack that he made. Looked real nice.
If you want to carry panniers get a Tubus Tara or Duo
If you want to carry stuff up top get a Haulin Colin like mine
If you want both you should combine the two, but if you really want it to be one rack get a Bruce Gordon
Old Man Mountain racks are acceptable and adaptable to a lot of mounting situations, but I'm not a fan of aluminum for this application
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:50 am
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The only practical solution is to buy a torch, a pile of steel, and make your own racks. You have 10 days. It worked for me on BC2.
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