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Well, the delgado rim is dead, long live the delgado rim.
With that said, since I need to rebuild my front wheel, I'd like to get something that would be nice. Treat yo' self!
I currently ride about a 35mm tire on the Long Bomber, so the world is my oyster. the Delgados were 22.5mm wide, but I could go wider. The dyno hub I have is 32H, but if a convincing case could be made for a more spoked rim, I could explore trading up to a different dyno.
Seems like folks like the Velocity rims, but I do happen to be an H+Son fan, what with how awesome the TB14s are on the paramount. I did see they have a 29er rim, the Todestrieb, that looks like it would be a potential solution, but it only seems to come in 36H for 29".
thoughts?
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2)Sandra LOVES oysters, and the fish market in interbay has fresh oysters for between $10/dozen and $14/dozen. I have become a very good oyster shucker.
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I've been happy with my new WTB CrissCross rims so far. they are 32 hole, can be set up tubeless (make sure to order the WTB tubeless valves if you go that route) or with tubes, work well with wider tires, and weren't horribly expensive.
I also had a 32h Mavic CXP-22 rim laced to a SP-PD8 dynohub earlier this year. it's a less-expensive, narrower rim than the WTB and not tubeless. currently running a Compass Barlow Pass tire on it with no issues.
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Hmm. So, what're the benefits of tubeless? I mean granted, most of the time WHEN I ride, it's on concrete or asphalt. And JoeBall Mountain - will tubeless work on loose pack gravel well?
And I guess this means I'd need to get different tires too, I have a hunch my Schwalbe marathons aren't tubeless compatible.
I do like how the CrissCross has the same ERD as the delgado - would be nice if I could re-use my spokes.
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did you know that the longer the hydration or curing time = the stronger the concrete! Thats why people tell you to water the concrete after it is finished. The best way to cure concrete however is to apply a curing compound. This acts as a blanket and forms a thin membrane over the concrete to prevent the water from evaporating quickly. It is also important to understand that concrete really never dries!! Even after 50 years there is a fraction of water remaining in the concrete. A good example is that the Hoover Dam is still curing after 50+ years. Concrete
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I've been very happy with the Alexrim Adventerurs in 700 x32hole, back alley had a good stock in them, NJ did his wolverine in them too.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:46 pm
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
Hmm. So, what're the benefits of tubeless? I mean granted, most of the time WHEN I ride, it's on concrete or asphalt. And JoeBall Mountain - will tubeless work on loose pack gravel well?
in short, you get the following benefits -
* no more pinch flats. run lower pressures for comfort on rougher roads.
* small punctures automatically seal with liquid sealant.
* decreased rotating weight at the wheels.
* can be run with a standard inner tube if needed.
the downside is that you'll need to use a tubeless compatible tire. some tires are easier to run tubeless than others.
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axel wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
Hmm. So, what're the benefits of tubeless? I mean granted, most of the time WHEN I ride, it's on concrete or asphalt. And JoeBall Mountain - will tubeless work on loose pack gravel well?
in short, you get the following benefits -
* no more pinch flats. run lower pressures for comfort on rougher roads.
* small punctures automatically seal with liquid sealant.
* decreased rotating weight at the wheels.
* can be run with a standard inner tube if needed.
the downside is that you'll need to use a tubeless compatible tire. some tires are easier to run tubeless than others.
go on......I do remember Scott had some fatty tubeless tires and I was shocked at how light they were for their size. What kind of tire(s) would work with tubeless, and would this be worth it for basically what is my .83 get drunk and campout ride?
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
axel wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
Hmm. So, what're the benefits of tubeless? I mean granted, most of the time WHEN I ride, it's on concrete or asphalt. And JoeBall Mountain - will tubeless work on loose pack gravel well?
in short, you get the following benefits -
* no more pinch flats. run lower pressures for comfort on rougher roads.
* small punctures automatically seal with liquid sealant.
* decreased rotating weight at the wheels.
* can be run with a standard inner tube if needed.
the downside is that you'll need to use a tubeless compatible tire. some tires are easier to run tubeless than others.
go on......I do remember Scott had some fatty tubeless tires and I was shocked at how light they were for their size. What kind of tire(s) would work with tubeless, and would this be worth it for basically what is my .83 get drunk and campout ride?
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axel wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
axel wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
Hmm. So, what're the benefits of tubeless? I mean granted, most of the time WHEN I ride, it's on concrete or asphalt. And JoeBall Mountain - will tubeless work on loose pack gravel well?
in short, you get the following benefits -
* no more pinch flats. run lower pressures for comfort on rougher roads.
* small punctures automatically seal with liquid sealant.
* decreased rotating weight at the wheels.
* can be run with a standard inner tube if needed.
the downside is that you'll need to use a tubeless compatible tire. some tires are easier to run tubeless than others.
go on......I do remember Scott had some fatty tubeless tires and I was shocked at how light they were for their size. What kind of tire(s) would work with tubeless, and would this be worth it for basically what is my .83 get drunk and campout ride?
This seems really complicated - I have to enter in stuff in a website to find this out? WHY WON'T SOMEONE JUST TELL ME WHAT TO BUY SO THAT I CAN IMMEDIATELY DISAGREE WITH THEM.
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
I do like how the CrissCross has the same ERD as the delgado - would be nice if I could re-use my spokes.
tape the rims together and swap everything over
the ChrisCross really is the best option on the market by a huge margin
I got Ben using them too on the wheels that replaced his old Delgados
They work perfectly fine with tubes and normal tires, but you absolutely have to use the special yellow rim tape no matter what (cloth doesn't work at all)
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blasdelf wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
I do like how the CrissCross has the same ERD as the delgado - would be nice if I could re-use my spokes.
tape the rims together and swap everything over
the ChrisCross really is the best option on the market by a huge margin
I got Ben using them too on the wheels that replaced his old Delgados
They work perfectly fine with tubes and normal tires, but you absolutely have to use the special yellow rim tape no matter what (cloth doesn't work at all)
So am I going to have a catastrophic failure? I'm 20 miles in on cloth tape
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derrickito wrote:
did you know that the longer the hydration or curing time = the stronger the concrete! Thats why people tell you to water the concrete after it is finished. The best way to cure concrete however is to apply a curing compound. This acts as a blanket and forms a thin membrane over the concrete to prevent the water from evaporating quickly. It is also important to understand that concrete really never dries!! Even after 50 years there is a fraction of water remaining in the concrete. A good example is that the Hoover Dam is still curing after 50+ years. Concrete
therefore continually expands and contracts depending upon weather conditions.
Totally true. Thus the need for expansion joints and seams on the surface for the cracks to follow.
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blasdelf wrote:
work perfectly fine with tubes and normal tires
as long as one is not cyclocrossing over bollard base plates in the dark in Woodland Park, yes.
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Bo Ttorff wrote:
derrickito wrote:
did you know that the longer the hydration or curing time = the stronger the concrete! Thats why people tell you to water the concrete after it is finished. The best way to cure concrete however is to apply a curing compound. This acts as a blanket and forms a thin membrane over the concrete to prevent the water from evaporating quickly. It is also important to understand that concrete really never dries!! Even after 50 years there is a fraction of water remaining in the concrete. A good example is that the Hoover Dam is still curing after 50+ years. Concrete
therefore continually expands and contracts depending upon weather conditions.
Totally true. Thus the need for expansion joints and seams on the surface for the cracks to follow.
I've always covered it with plastic sheeting for a while, after skimming of course. Is this membrane additive really better?
PS: +1 CrissCross. Ive run them with the yellow tape. Schwalbe Marathon PLus previously and now the WTB Nano 40C TCS on there.
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What is so hot about the criss cross? Am I that much of a fudd for thinking it looked cheap, especially for lacking eyelets?
Then again, my eyeleted delgados are dying a slow, cracking death.
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donavanm wrote:
Bo Ttorff wrote:
derrickito wrote:
did you know that the longer the hydration or curing time = the stronger the concrete! Thats why people tell you to water the concrete after it is finished. The best way to cure concrete however is to apply a curing compound. This acts as a blanket and forms a thin membrane over the concrete to prevent the water from evaporating quickly. It is also important to understand that concrete really never dries!! Even after 50 years there is a fraction of water remaining in the concrete. A good example is that the Hoover Dam is still curing after 50+ years. Concrete
therefore continually expands and contracts depending upon weather conditions.
Totally true. Thus the need for expansion joints and seams on the surface for the cracks to follow.
I've always covered it with plastic sheeting for a while, after skimming of course. Is this membrane additive really better?
I only used the additive when I was in the union 10 years ago, and being the union we had a designated membrane guy. Ideally you don't pour in the rain and control how much water it gets. Being WA the 5mm plastic sheeting is just fine/what I do too.
On the topic of rim tape. Is the cloth rim tape no good because we're talking about tubeless or just this WTB rim in particular?
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joeball wrote:
What is so hot about the criss cross? Am I that much of a fudd for thinking it looked cheap, especially for lacking eyelets?
Then again, my eyeleted delgados are dying a slow, cracking death.
I too have a horde of NOS 700c delgados. I was also skeptical of the WTBs for the same reason. However the "4d" directional eyelets were super nice to build, once I figured it out. Besides build I like them as a medium width sturdy 700c rim. Basically i went to them because delgados went away. I used the yellow rim tape so that i could do tube or tubeless. Was unaware that these rims had issues with the gelox cloth.
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WTB rims purchased. Got two because, I figure I may as well move off the delgado on the rear too.
For now, gonna keep upsing the same rim tape and Schwalbe tires. Maybe in a couple months I'll try out tubeless (in time for JoeBall Mountain!).
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
(in time for JoeBall Mountain!).
I think we're done with JBM's for the next 5 years. But there is BC11 and maybe a sauna camp soon???
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Got a point there. With the 4th being on a monday in 2016, looks like the next JB will be 2019 or 2020.
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Bo Ttorff wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
(in time for JoeBall Mountain!).
I think we're done with JBM's for the next 5 years.
Might be long enough for the Green Mountain Horse Camp to forget how much they hate us.
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joeball wrote:
What is so hot about the criss cross?
It's a fully modern wide road rim design at the same weight as shitty old Open Pros, but massively stronger thanks to modern metallurgy and heat treatment (and is much cheaper than HED or Pacenti)
WTB is the only company selling loose rims that match what high-end system wheels get
joeball wrote:
Am I that much of a fudd for thinking it looked cheap, especially for lacking eyelets?
Because eyelets are vestigial bobish bullshit, only necessary if everything else about the rim is vintage too
The ChrisCross has machined sockets that fit the nipples precisely, set at angles specifically for 32h 3x lacing. The "cheap look" is probably more about the full-circumference brake wear indicator.
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Bo Ttorff wrote:
On the topic of rim tape. Is the cloth rim tape no good because we're talking about tubeless or just this WTB rim in particular?
It's ALL modern rims
In designing a rim to be usable tubeless, that means actually building them sized to spec with tight tolerances for the bead to hold it securely.
Cloth tape is from the sleeve of wizard era, there physically isn't room for it anymore
It was always shitty, soaking up water and getting rusty around eyelets. The reason the old neckbeards had boners for it is because it's way better than the rubber-band style strips that were common 30 years ago
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blasdelf wrote:
The "cheap look" is probably more about the full-circumference brake wear indicator.
as cheap as it looks, I have been very happy with the braking surface feel. significantly nicer than Velocity Major Toms or Easton Circuits, about as good or better than the machined surface on Mavic CXP-22s/Aksiums.
I've run the same brakes on each of these cheap rims for my non-scientific comparison.
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
WTB rims purchased. Got two because, I figure I may as well move off the delgado on the rear too.
For now, gonna keep upsing the same rim tape and Schwalbe tires. Maybe in a couple months I'll try out tubeless (in time for JoeBall Mountain!).
How bad is that rear rim? Save it for me, I might try and swap onto that wheelset Ben is getting rid of, if enough life left to make it worth it.
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The rear is actually pretty dang solid. I'll hold onto it for you.
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As a bit of an aside, what are people's preferred detensioning methods post lacing?
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Typically you'd tension the spokes after lacing them. Since they don't have any tension yet there is nothing to detension.
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Alex wrote:
Typically you'd tension the spokes after lacing them. Since they don't have any tension yet there is nothing to detension.
correction - lacing *AND* tensioning :). I've got it all reasonably dialed in and the wheel's true, but I know that once I put weight on it it's gonna change things.
I tried detensioning by pushing laterally on the rim with the axle resting on a padded surface (i.e. put it on the floor, pushed down around the rim, flipped, repeated). Didn't hear or notice any change in the general tension of the spokes, but that could just because I should still give em all a few more turns.
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Okay, you are trying to stress relieve the spokes and remove spoke windup.
I prefer to remove spoke windup by hand using the spoke wrench. You can feel when it happens. When I first learned how to build wheels I would mark little dots on the spokes so that I could see how much they wound up, then I backed off to see them unwind. It's about a 1/4 turn on most 14/15ga spokes, so tighten a quarter turn and loosen a quarter turn and they'll be untwisted.
Stress relieving is best done by grabbing pairs of spokes as hard as you can (until it hurts). Do this after removing the spoke windup.
All of this is well documented in both "The Bicycle Wheel" and on Sheldon Brown's wheelbuilding page. I find the lacing instructions on SB's page difficult to follow, so I prefer to use "The Bicycle Wheel". SB shows an alternative way to stress relieve the spokes using an old crank arm too.
The lateral push that you are doing is a half assed method for doing both, but it doesn't really work.
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I put a dab of teflon grease on the ends of all my spokes. Usually addresses the issue of spoke wind up well. After 40 or 50 wheels, I've yet to see or hear of any long term issues with it. Given my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, putting loctite on their spokes/nipples seems superfluous but YMMV.
Let me be pre-emptive by saying, just shut up about it Fred.
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