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walker
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 10:10 am Reply with quote
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http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/

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Bikepacking Bags – 20 laps @ 200.5w Average Power
38.262 seconds av per lap
119.34 seconds av per kilometre
30.17km/h average speed
Extrapolated Time for a 100km (62mi) Ride: 3:18:54

Rear Pannier Bags Only – 20 laps @ 199.5w Average Power
40.931 seconds av per lap
127.66 seconds av per kilometre
28.20km/h average speed
Extrapolated Time for a 100km (62mi) Ride: +12 minutes (6.5% slower)


Now that's progress.

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axel
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walker wrote:

30.17km/h average speed

18 mph average speed extrapolated across 62 miles.
I can't even average this on a unloaded bike for that distance.
but then again I don't tour on velodromes, either.

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best I ever did was a Tour De Cure 100mi route and I averaged 16mph. That was when I was about 20lbs lighter, and was doing about 12,000 miles in a year from a lot of riding.

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walker
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 12:28 pm Reply with quote
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axel wrote:
walker wrote:

30.17km/h average speed

18 mph average speed extrapolated across 62 miles.
I can't even average this on a unloaded bike for that distance.
but then again I don't tour on velodromes, either.


I think that speed was chosen because 200 W is a nice round number that he was able to sustain for the trial. As velocity increases linearly, drag is squared, so testing at a hearty clip will help separate signal from noise.

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caustic meatloaf wrote:
best I ever did was a Tour De Cure 100mi route and I averaged 16mph. That was when I was about 20lbs lighter, and was doing about 12,000 miles in a year from a lot of riding.



To be fair, your Canadian girlfriend helped keep you motivated.
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axel
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walker wrote:
velocity increases linearly, drag is squared, so testing at a hearty clip will help separate signal from noise.

but if you have to go that fast with that power output to induce a measurable drag,
maybe it turns out that drag isn't a relevant metric to the experience of an average touring cyclist.

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Make them last forever. #buttrocket is woefully under used on Instagram. Let's make it great again.
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walker
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axel wrote:
but if you have to go that fast with that power output to induce a measurable drag,
maybe it turns out that drag isn't a relevant metric to the experience of an average touring cyclist.


I'd call 6.5% velocity reduction pretty remarkable and relevant. Would be interesting to see the numbers at lower velocity though. Also keep in mind that lowering your velocity over a fixed distance will increase your time experiencing drag (together, drag impulse). Would be interesting to see, all else fixed, a plot of drag impulse vs. velocity. If yer a nyerd.

joeball wrote:
#buttrocket is woefully under used on Instagram. Let's make it great again.


What it lacks in quantity, it more than makes up for in quality.

Also, wasn't #buttrocket once the term for those TT under-saddle water bottle cages?

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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:02 pm Reply with quote
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axel wrote:
walker wrote:
velocity increases linearly, drag is squared, so testing at a hearty clip will help separate signal from noise.

but if you have to go that fast with that power output to induce a measurable drag,
maybe it turns out that drag isn't a relevant metric to the experience of an average touring cyclist.


Don't forget headwinds.
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joeball
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Buttrockets: here to sway
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walker wrote:
Also, wasn't #buttrocket once the term for those TT under-saddle water bottle cages?

pejoratively, yes

I may have originated the current usage a few years ago
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Bo Ttorff
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joeball wrote:
Buttrockets: here to swayze


FTFY
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