Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
Let me start by apologizing if this is a duplicate. I've spent about an hour going through the 'Chris King' and 'Phil Wood' search results and sort of have a decent idea, but I'd like to just ask it.
I've been thinking of getting a new wheelset and I'm wondering about Chris King hubs vs. the Phil Wood hubs. They seem to be roughly the same price, so what makes one better than the other?
For rims, I was looking at the Velocity deep Vs, but I'm open to suggestions.
I have a feeling the first question someone is going to ask will be "What do you intend to use these for?"
My answer to that will be 90% commuting (burke/street) and then say 10% riding either off-road cross racing and/or whatever kind of riding/racing you guys do. On average the wheelset would get about 3000 miles / year.
One thing I did read on the 'Phil Wood' search results, was a thread about them getting stolen outside the CIP. Naturally this can happen to anyone, but is having PW hubs vs. CK hubs make a bike look more appealing to rip off than the other?
Perhaps the question is, for the given usage, what is the perfect wheelset?
derrickito
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:41 am
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just on the topic of stealing, both of those hubs with deep v's would make a nice shiny target for theft. get a good lock (and put it on both wheels)
sekai
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:59 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 1466Location: on the lake
i hear phils and kings are nice. i'm rockin a suzue pro (disco) half the $, works just fine and i'm loggin a lot more than 3k. if i was to build up a track only ride, maybe i'd go with phil or king, but most likely i'd got with the suzue again, if i really wanted to drop cash i'd go with the carbon model. deep v's are nice and popular and seems to work well in the street. haven't seen any blow up coming off a curb, yet. plus they come in half a billion colors...
henry
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:39 am
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
i don't know what your budget constraints are but you can get more than descent hubs for substantially cheaper than either the options you posed.
Check out the surleys?
And i'd like to reiterate derrick's comment on the lock.
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
my 32h surly hubs laced to deep v rims have done well for me, and i am a man who is hard on things. i do break spokes every now and then and i've put some serious dents in my rim but it bends instead of breaking. a little plier action later and they're basically as good as new. the only downside as far as i can tell is weight, but other than that i would recommend them without hesitation.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:27 pm
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
sekai wrote:
i hear phils and kings are nice. i'm rockin a suzue pro (disco) half the $, works just fine and i'm loggin a lot more than 3k. if i was to build up a track only ride, maybe i'd go with phil or king, but most likely i'd got with the suzue again, if i really wanted to drop cash i'd go with the carbon model. deep v's are nice and popular and seems to work well in the street. haven't seen any blow up coming off a curb, yet. plus they come in half a billion colors...
though it is hard for me to agree with anything given my sunny disposition, i concur wholeheartedly.
berserk
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:38 pm
Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
Thanks for the feedback. I'll take a look at the surly ones for sure.
One thing that I didn't mention, is this is for a geared bike, so that sort of makes the Suzues out of the question (unless they make geared hubs?)
sekai
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:44 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 1466Location: on the lake
phils, kings, deep v's..... not fixed omg! did you also forget to mention that you only drink na beer too?
but really king makes quick engaging road/mtn hubs, don't know about phil.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:52 pm
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
jesus, just go to a shop and ask to look at a catelog, and ask questions.
i'm sure you can find something that is a better value than two of the most over priced hubs on the market.
berserk
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:59 pm
Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
sekai wrote:
phils, kings, deep v's..... not fixed omg! did you also forget to mention that you only drink na beer too?
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 1466Location: on the lake
[quote="berserk"]
sekai wrote:
phils, kings, deep v's..... not fixed omg! did you also forget to mention that you only drink na beer too?
Bah!
Here is proof of my beer preferences:
are you trying to stare me down sucka?
look into me eyes......
Aaron
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:20 pm
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King and Phil are not over priced. They are just priced from paying American wages. If you want to support a different country (where wages are low and environmental concerns are not an issue) buy anything else. Other American brands are White Industries and American Classic, but neither are as durable as King or Phil. On a durability scale I would rate them highest to lowest: Phil (last forever, really), King (light but maintenance with expensive tools), White (shiney *Denny* but pernsnikity), American Classic (non standard bearings, hard to replace, goof ball designer).
I am talking about cassette/freehubs here.
Also, for the money it is impossible to get a better hub than a Shimano XT. If you maintenance them they will last for years. Every shop in the first world will have parts and they are reasonably priced.
Campagnolo Freehubs are nice but expensive to replace parts and need a lot of mantenance to last, but all parts are replaceable, however, they are expensive.
All that said, you will be OK if you just MAINTAIN you equiptment.
I see equiptment all the time and people are shocked when I show them thier rusted out parts. They think because it is expensive they don't have to lube or maintain it as much. The opposite is true.
berserk
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:30 pm
Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
Aaron wrote:
Also, for the money it is impossible to get a better hub than a Shimano XT. If you maintenance them they will last for years. Every shop in the first world will have parts and they are reasonably priced.
What to do, what to do. I notice you didn't mention the Surly hubs. Any reason for that ?
Aaron, for fun what would a Surly wheelset cost vs the XT wheelset (both on the Velocity deep Vs), or is that something I should email you about directly?
Since we're on the topic, what does it take to get the .83 card again ?
Aaron
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:35 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
berserk wrote:
Aaron, for fun what would a Surly wheelset cost vs the XT wheelset (both on the Velocity deep Vs), or is that something I should email you about directly?
Surly doesn't make multi speed hubs.
berserk wrote:
Since we're on the topic, what does it take to get the .83 card again ?
Well, have you filled out your Terms Of Service agreement? Did you bring a bottle of flavored Brandy to a ride? Did you get the shit kicked out of you by Deniese? Can you skid no handed?
If not you will never make it in.
Seriously, 3 rides and a race. Period. Races can be rides, but not vice-versa
berserk
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:44 pm
Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
Aaron wrote:
Surly doesn't make multi speed hubs.
Aww shit, now I'm the dumbass.
Aaron wrote:
Seriously, 3 rides and a race. Period. Races can be rides, but not vice-versa
Roger that.
lantius
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:51 pm
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
i like the ritchey ocr/zero wheel on my road bike. i've got three bikes and no dishing. does it really make a stronger wheel? i dunno.
Stanglor
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:55 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006Posts: 555Location: Wallingford
lantius wrote:
i like the ritchey ocr/zero wheel on my road bike. i've got three bikes and no dishing. does it really make a stronger wheel? i dunno.
My OCR (rear obviously) had the spokes start ripping out straight through the rim. Ritchey rims and hubs have had some issues in the recent past. I thik they may have them mostly worked out at this point, and they are good about recalls, but I don't really trust the OCR after my last one. I still have it in my garage if anyone is overly curious.
leah
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:12 pm
elderJoined: 10 Feb 2006Posts: 594Location: The Bucket
berserk wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Surly doesn't make multi speed hubs.
Aww shit, now I'm the dumbass.
i may be a "dorkus malorkus" but i think surly just doesn't make "new" free hubs; that they're still stocked somewhere if you're lucky. i hear they're a simple, sure shot.
Hey, the Amish got a good thing going. I would live with them if they didn't have so much God and they rode bikes.
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:32 pm
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Aaron wrote:
I would live with them if they didn't have so much God and they rode bikes.
...drank more...smoked weed...looked at porn...didn't object to having power tools...
Aaron
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:43 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
SeditiousCanary wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I would live with them if they didn't have so much God and they rode bikes.
...drank more...smoked weed...looked at porn...didn't object to having power tools...
I have a true friend that is Amish. Well he now is Mennonite. He used to be a Dead Baby. Then he moved back east to join the Amish. Super nice guy. Was totally in to bikes and choppers. Had to give them up. True story! He told me the Amish don't use bikes because they don't want their young to stray far. He made many human powered tools for them. They have a full wood working shop with lathes, band saws, etc, all powered by horeses. They grow all their own food. They are living the post-oil dream! We will all need to learn from them.
dennyt
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:47 pm
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naw, I think there will be a long time to surf the chaos until the amish way is the only sustainable way...
Aaron
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:15 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
dennyt wrote:
surf the chaos
Denny, You rule! I am going to keep that quote in my mental library.
I feel like that on .83 rides sometimes!
Still friends, motherbitch?
dennyt
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:21 pm
rocket mechanicJoined: 02 Aug 2005Posts: 2708
Yeah, we cool brotha.
At least, as cool as white guys with beards who ride bicycles can be.
henry
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:30 pm
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
dennyt wrote:
At least, as cool as white guys with beards who ride bicycles can be.
note: denny raises an excellent point here.
i want to start making notes for the kids so that they can recognize what's fun to read on the internet and what's not.
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LOL!
langston
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:29 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
henry wrote:
dennyt wrote:
At least, as cool as white guys with beards who ride bicycles can be.
note: denny raises an excellent point here.
i want to start making notes for the kids so that they can recognize what's fun to read on the internet and what's not.
JOSH, ARE YOU TAKING NOTES!?!?!?!
and DEAN, are you? I'm sick of scrolling through your hollow posts that don't contribute to the conversation. I don't care that you found someone's comment funny. Quality, man, not quantity.
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