No one in .83 seems to ride with crank brother's pedals.
Yet, many people swear by them for their durability and ease of use.
If I am looking to make the switch to clipless pedals, should I consider Crank Brothers? Or should I go with something else?
No one in .83 seems to ride with crank brother's pedals.
Look more closely.
Personally, I ride Speedplays. Love them.
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joby
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:08 pm
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Razi wrote:
No one in .83 seems to ride with crank brother's pedals.
Yet, many people swear by them for their durability and ease of use.
If I am looking to make the switch to clipless pedals, should I consider Crank Brothers? Or should I go with something else?
Standards are worth a lot. As much as there is one, SPD is the standard.
SPD compatible Shoes, cleats and Pedals are available from lots of manufaturers.
All load bearing components are metal.
They're easy to get in and out of.
They're cheap.
lieutenantsean
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:26 pm
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Only about half right.
SPD shoes are one standard, Look is the other. Have you taken a gander at the new SPD shoes. Three holes about where you would expect them to be for look pedals.
But, still, having a standard is damn convenient.
Other than Looks, the load bearing components on most pedals are metal.
They aren't any easier to get into or out of than any other system I've used.
They actually aren't a hell of a lot cheaper than most other systems either.
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Aaron
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:30 pm
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I ride Crank Brother's on all my bikes. I have Eggbeaters, Mallets and Candies
leah
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:34 pm
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my dad and stepmom swear by speedplay for the float. i don't blame them, but their components are more difficult to find and, i think, more expensive.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:37 pm
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Your parents are right to do so. The free float feels awesome once you get used to it.
The parts aren't that hard to come by. I could walk into Aaron's shop and find everything I need to completely rebuild mine.
But yeah, they are a bit spendy. Cheaper than knee surgery though.
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Aaron
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:38 pm
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leah wrote:
my dad and stepmom swear by speedplay for the float. i don't blame them, but their components are more difficult to find and, i think, more expensive.
They are not any more expensive than equal quality SPD or Crank Bros or any other pedal. Also Speedplay's design has been the same for 15 years and parts are readily available for all thier pedals. I stock the Frog model. I used to use Frogs before I got an employee purchase on Crank Bros. I tried them not because they are better or I didn't like Frogs, but just to be different. Both are good pedal systems, as are Shimano.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:42 pm
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lieutenantsean wrote:
But yeah, they are a bit spendy. Cheaper than knee surgery though.
I've already had knee surgery so I can ride whatever i want, right??
If you didn't learn the first time, do what you fucking want man.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:01 pm
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lieutenantsean wrote:
If you didn't learn the first time, do what you fucking want man.
i did learn! i learned to get my fucking hips up and ski and ski like a man. and i learned that girls are way more impressed with a good skier that can walk to the car than a good skier who gets carried to the car in a ski patrol tobagan. of course it took a couple tries... but i did learn. ;)
the best was the ride from the top of Horstman Glacier to Whistler Village in a Tobagan. dude was fast as hell, did it in like 15 minutes with no brakeman.
Did you learn that it's pointless to try and impress girls with displays of athletic prowess?
Seriously though. If you've already had knee surgery, take good care of your knees.
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jillita
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:09 pm
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I have two sets of Eggbeaters that I swear by, but only for commuting and mtb and cx. They have way too much float for track, where if you come out you're toast, although I've heard of people riding brakeless on the street with them. SPDs are a dying breed. Too many pieces and parts. Eggbeaters are simplicity in machinery defined.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:14 pm
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Speedplays are simpler. But I dig the elegance of the Eggbeaters for some reason.
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Aaron
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:36 pm
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lieutenantsean wrote:
Speedplays are simpler. But I dig the elegance of the Eggbeaters for some reason.
In deed, Speedplays only have one moving part and it is in the cleat!
Aaron
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:36 pm
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lieutenantsean wrote:
Speedplays are simpler. But I dig the elegance of the Eggbeaters for some reason.
In deed, Speedplays only have one moving part and it is in the cleat!
Razi
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:09 pm
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So Aaron,
Should I roll with eggbeaters or candys?
Candys seem to provide better contact, and they come in some sexy colors too.
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i have beat to shit all kinds of spd mtn pedals, shoes, and cleats, mixing and matching different brands on a dozen different bikes and three or four pairs of shoes (i wear them until the sole breaks in half). i've been happy. plus they are cheap, cheap, cheap. i think my last pair of pedals i got from superperfgomance for $20.
i thought about moving to eggbeaters but conversation here has been that the cleats are soft and wear really quickly, which is fine if you are able to get them out of your shoe to replace them. i've never been able to salvage the cleats from my shoes by the time i am done with them.
on the flip side, i do have a pair of spd pedals that broke and failed on one side, and it sure is annoying to ride with those.
dennyt
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:15 pm
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Yeah, I'm about to spring for some new shoes, as my left sole is cracked about halfway across the ball of my foot... it would really suck to break a shoe on the first hill on bainbridge island.
jillita
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:22 pm
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lantius wrote:
i thought about moving to eggbeaters but conversation here has been that the cleats are soft and wear really quickly, which is fine if you are able to get them out of your shoe to replace them. i've never been able to salvage the cleats from my shoes by the time i am done with them.
Horsepucky. I've had my cleats for almost two years w/no problems. Maybe if you walk around on them all day they're wear out, but so would anything else.
Torch
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:28 pm
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pedal retention systems are for amateurs.
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berserk
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:35 pm
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I started with SPD, then went to the froggies. On the road they're great, but during cyclocross they suck ass.
The cleat would get all sandy/dirty and I'd spend half my time either trying to clip in or wondering if I really was (clipped in).
It's valuable time taken away when I'm defending spot 18 in the cross C race.
So I switched to the candies, and I'm glad I did. They hold great, and easy enough to get in and out of.
I'm a sucker for wanting to have the same cleat system across all bikes and shoes, so "a local big chain shop" had the eggbeaters on sale for 49 a few months ago and I picked those up for the road bike as well.
If you're keeping them clean (not really doing tons of muddy riding and such) the froggies were just fine. Easier to get into/out of IMO.
<pimp my stuff>I've got two mtn pairs of the froggies if you decide to go that route for cheap</pimp my stuff>
lieutenantsean
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:45 pm
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I've read your complaint about the Speedplays elsewhere.
Looking at the things, it seems pretty obvious to me that would be a problem. The tolerances between the cleat and the pedal are way too tight for them to work when they are all nasty with mud, blood and the hair of your competitors.
Looking at the crank bros. pedals, it also seems obvious that wouldn't be as big of an issue.
I don't ride in mud or sand (on purpose) so that isn't a problem. I like them because of all the float, they are simple, and totally maintainable. I think it was just a piss-poor marketing choice to call them MTB pedals.
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jillita
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:58 pm
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berserk wrote:
I started with SPD, then went to the froggies. On the road they're great, but during cyclocross they suck ass.
The cleat would get all sandy/dirty and I'd spend half my time either trying to clip in or wondering if I really was (clipped in).
It's valuable time taken away when I'm defending spot 18 in the cross C race.
So I switched to the candies, and I'm glad I did. They hold great, and easy enough to get in and out of.
That's odd that you liked the Candies for CX. A bunch of my friends bought them even though I warned them of my bad experiences getting in and out of them ("Get the Eggbeaters," I said. "The Candies suck and you will waste time trying to clip in. I have them and they suck." Did they get the Eggbeaters? No. The Candies were on sale.). At every CX race they'd cross the finish bitching that they couldn't clip in the whole race. They even carved out a larger space for the pedal to fit onto their $200 mtb shoes, but it didn't help when there was mud, sand, skin, etc stuck in the platform. So much for sale items.
No one listens to Jilly....
berserk
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:57 pm
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harlot wrote:
berserk wrote:
I started with SPD, then went to the froggies. On the road they're great, but during cyclocross they suck ass.
The cleat would get all sandy/dirty and I'd spend half my time either trying to clip in or wondering if I really was (clipped in).
It's valuable time taken away when I'm defending spot 18 in the cross C race.
So I switched to the candies, and I'm glad I did. They hold great, and easy enough to get in and out of.
That's odd that you liked the Candies for CX. A bunch of my friends bought them even though I warned them of my bad experiences getting in and out of them ("Get the Eggbeaters," I said. "The Candies suck and you will waste time trying to clip in. I have them and they suck." Did they get the Eggbeaters? No. The Candies were on sale.). At every CX race they'd cross the finish bitching that they couldn't clip in the whole race. They even carved out a larger space for the pedal to fit onto their $200 mtb shoes, but it didn't help when there was mud, sand, skin, etc stuck in the platform. So much for sale items.
No one listens to Jilly....
I haven't had any probs getting into/out of, and the extra "platform" seems to help with feeling like you have more pedal there. That last bit could totally be psychological though for sure.
lantius
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:59 pm
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berserk wrote:
I haven't had any probs getting into/out of, and the extra "platform" seems to help with feeling like you have more pedal there. That last bit could totally be psychological though for sure.
it should be psychological if you have good shoes, right?
sekai
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:05 pm
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these rock! no moving parts to wear, ultra low profile for sick cornering.....
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:49 pm
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I got my first set of SPD-737 in '92. I still ride them. Changed my cleats once and my shoes three times (two sets of Specialized Ground Control shoes and two sets of Sidi Dominator 3 shoes).
I'm one ACL reconstruction into my OEM set of knees.
So far, no issues and no concerns.
Alastair
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:31 pm
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www.coombe.com wrote:
Plasma Nitriding of COOMBE PRO pedal bodies produces a ceramic outer layer, providing outstanding durability and wear resistance!
Plasma Nitriding?! WTF is that?
lieutenantsean
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:49 pm
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Something to do with plasma and nitrides?
Maybe plasma nitrides are some wicked new type of head light.
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berserk
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:41 pm
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harlot wrote:
That's odd that you liked the Candies for CX. A bunch of my friends bought them even though I warned them of my bad experiences getting in and out of them ("Get the Eggbeaters," I said. "The Candies suck and you will waste time trying to clip in. I have them and they suck." Did they get the Eggbeaters? No. The Candies were on sale.). At every CX race they'd cross the finish bitching that they couldn't clip in the whole race. They even carved out a larger space for the pedal to fit onto their $200 mtb shoes, but it didn't help when there was mud, sand, skin, etc stuck in the platform. So much for sale items.
No one listens to Jilly....
So you got me thinking. The shoes I use with the candies are more commute friendly and/or lower end mtn shoes.
Well, ok I wouldn't say lower end mtn shoes per say, but they aren't the super stiff ones you generally find in more expensive shoes. A sport shoe I suppose they're called. I had some Shimano shoes that I've just replaced with some Specialized BG Taho MTB shoes. Both of these work perfectly with the candies.
So when I got home tonight I put on my "more expensive, stiffer mtn shoes" (which are totally fine on the egg-beaters) and tried them on the candies. Guess what. The drive side didn't fully engage. This leads me to think you've definitely got some valid points.
I'll try putting the shim between the cleat/shoe and see if that helps.
I think the moral of this story is to listen to Jill.
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berserk wrote:
I think the moral of this story is to listen to Jill.
I think the moral is that things are usually on sale for a reason.
Aaron wrote:
Handsome Jilly wrote:
No one listens to Jilly....
Stop it!!!! You're making me feel like I should have a beard!! YUCK!!!
berserk
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:57 am
Joined: 17 Feb 2006Posts: 120Location: Seattle/Bothell
[quote="harlot"]
I think the moral is that things are usually on sale for a reason.
/quote]
Well, to clarify a bit. The candies I got for regular price, the eggbeaters were the ones on sale.
Generally though, I agree with you. I do tend to wait for the last year model sales just so I don't end up paying full price for things.
jillita
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:23 am
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Yeah I buy stuff on sale all the time too. Like my sweet new skis that were on closeout for $60 and retail for $460. They were getting rid of old stock.
Sometimes sale items are the shit, sometimes just shit.
lieutenantsean
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:29 am
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Just picked up new cycling shoes stupid cheap because REI was trying to dump their stock.
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berserk
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:30 am
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lieutenantsean wrote:
Just picked up new cycling shoes stupid cheap because REI was trying to dump their stock.
Which shoes?
lieutenantsean
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:34 am
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Pearl Izumi Juice MTB shoes.
Before you start going on about how they suck, I wanted MTB shoes so I could walk in them easier than road shoes. They'll probably never see use off-road.
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berserk
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:40 am
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lieutenantsean wrote:
Pearl Izumi Juice MTB shoes.
Before you start going on about how they suck, I wanted MTB shoes so I could walk in them easier than road shoes. They'll probably never see use off-road.
Dude.
I do the same thing for the same reason.
My main beef is I have sorta wide feet, so most shoes tend to not work out for me.
On the same note though, I can't really justify spending 250 on the Sidi Mega Dominators (mega == wide width)
lieutenantsean
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:48 am
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My problem's with the arches. I have size 11.5 arches on size 10.5 feet. I've never had any problems with me, and various doctors have told me that fallen arches or nonsense like that will never be an issue for me.
Good for rock climbing because it makes my feet more rigid.
The other thing is I hate my feet being cold. Going with the larger shoes helps keep my feet warmer.
I bought my last pair of shoes in the same manner. They are still in good shape, but are my "proper" size so my feet get cold, particularly when I'm wearing warm socks.
I'd looked at some of the higher end shoes. Don't need all that stiffness (I said stiff...) and I didn't want to spend all that much money.
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