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I want to give my chain and drive train a good cleaning. I'd prefer to pop the chain off and drop it in a tub of biodiesel rather than dumping cash on a Park chain scrubber or staying hunched over with a tooth brush. I piked up a SRAM power link at recycled, the guy that sold it to me wasn't sure it would work on a shimano chain but said it might. Any pros out there know for sure? If not I've got an extra chain pin I can use, but the power link sure seems like a damn good solution. The only chain breaker I have is what came with my Alien II.
zuvembi
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:04 am
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Other people have told me they used them with no problem. I've not done it myself though. I use the SRAM chains that come with the link exclusively. I've had... bad experiences with the Shimano chains.
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joby
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:41 am
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rlotz wrote:
I want to give my chain and drive train a good cleaning. I'd prefer to pop the chain off and drop it in a tub of biodiesel rather than dumping cash on a Park chain scrubber or staying hunched over with a tooth brush. I piked up a SRAM power link at recycled, the guy that sold it to me wasn't sure it would work on a shimano chain but said it might. Any pros out there know for sure? If not I've got an extra chain pin I can use, but the power link sure seems like a damn good solution. The only chain breaker I have is what came with my Alien II.
is Biodiesel a good solvent?
lantius
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:58 am
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joby wrote:
is Biodiesel a good solvent?
yep! if you switch your car from petro to bio, one of the big problems is that the bio will loosen up any accumulated crud in your fuel system. so the biodiesel can lead indirectly to clogging. it also softens up rubber fuel lines, so folks replace them with synthetic.
personally i clean my chain by putting it in a plastic container with a cup of undiluted simple green. screw on the lid, shake vigorously.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:12 am
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lantius wrote:
joby wrote:
is Biodiesel a good solvent?
yep! if you switch your car from petro to bio, one of the big problems is that the bio will loosen up any accumulated crud in your fuel system. so the biodiesel can lead indirectly to clogging. it also softens up rubber fuel lines, so folks replace them with synthetic.
personally i clean my chain by putting it in a plastic container with a cup of undiluted simple green. screw on the lid, shake vigorously.
I've been needing a use for this plastic 20oz coke bottle sitting here, thanks for the suggestion.
rlotz
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:00 pm
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joby wrote:
is Biodiesel a good solvent?
Very good, I keep a bottle in the house for cleaning up glue residues and other crud. It seems to work on anything a petroleum distillate (like WD 40 or citrisolve) does. It also works for pre-filling the fuel filter on my TDI when I do a filter change.
Aaron
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:03 pm
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I have not <usually> been able to get a SRAM Power Link to fit a Shimano chain. Replace you chain with a SRAM next time. Each chain comes with a "master link". SRAM chains run quieter and last longer too!
Simple Green, according to Enviro-Stars, has a secret ingredient that is toxic to the environment. A classic case of "green-washing" of a product/company! As part of my 2006 renewed commitment to Enviro-Stars, I agreed to stop selling and using Simple Green.
Citrus degreasers are pretty benign. They are a by-product of making orange juice.
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Aaron wrote:
I have not <usually> been able to get a SRAM Power Link to fit a Shimano chain. Replace you chain with a SRAM next time. Each chain comes with a "master link". SRAM chains run quieter and last longer too!
Simple Green, according to Enviro-Stars, has a secret ingredient that is toxic to the environment. A classic case of "green-washing" of a product/company! As part of my 2006 renewed commitment to Enviro-Stars, I agreed to stop selling and using Simple Green.
Citrus degreasers are pretty benign. They are a by-product of making orange juice.
"A key ingredient of Simple Green is butyl cellosolve, a substance considered toxic by the federal government that can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, possibly destroying red blood cells, among other potential dangers. Concentrations of the solvent in household cleaners are not thought to pose an immediate danger to people"
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berserk wrote:
"A key ingredient of Simple Green is butyl cellosolve, a substance considered toxic by the federal government that can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, possibly destroying red blood cells, among other potential dangers. Concentrations of the solvent in household cleaners are not thought to pose an immediate danger to people"
Simple green also contains Dihydrogen Monoxide.
...Rimshot...
berserk
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:58 pm
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joby wrote:
berserk wrote:
"A key ingredient of Simple Green is butyl cellosolve, a substance considered toxic by the federal government that can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, possibly destroying red blood cells, among other potential dangers. Concentrations of the solvent in household cleaners are not thought to pose an immediate danger to people"
Simple green also contains Dihydrogen Monoxide.
...Rimshot...
Oh shit, I'm throwing mine away as soon as I get home.
leah
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:02 pm
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berserk wrote:
joby wrote:
berserk wrote:
"A key ingredient of Simple Green is butyl cellosolve, a substance considered toxic by the federal government that can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, possibly destroying red blood cells, among other potential dangers. Concentrations of the solvent in household cleaners are not thought to pose an immediate danger to people"
Simple green also contains Dihydrogen Monoxide.
...Rimshot...
Oh shit, I'm throwing mine away as soon as I get home.
why not pour it in the nearest duck pond?
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berserk
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:05 pm
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leah wrote:
berserk wrote:
joby wrote:
berserk wrote:
"A key ingredient of Simple Green is butyl cellosolve, a substance considered toxic by the federal government that can be absorbed through the skin or inhaled, possibly destroying red blood cells, among other potential dangers. Concentrations of the solvent in household cleaners are not thought to pose an immediate danger to people"
Thousands of people a year die from dihydrogen monoxide inhalation.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:12 pm
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No one is biting...that's good.
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Aaron
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:39 pm
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Lisa Nihaus from Envirostars just called me back.
She said that Simple Green contains about 4% Butoxy Ethanol (it is also known by other names and may be the same chemical as butyl cellosolve)
According to Lisa, a concentration of just 1% of BE is toxic. It can be absorbed directly thru the skin or lung by breathing it. It causes liver damage.
BAD SHIT!
It is illegal to pour it down the drain. It is classified as hazardous waste.
You can take it to the transfer station.
Or like Leah, suggested, you could just pour it in Greenlake. Call it Simple Green Lake!
rlotz
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:44 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 311Location: Capitol Hill
Shit, I think drank some of that this morning. I hear the only way to get it out is through ingesting C2H5OH.
leah
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:15 pm
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Stanglor wrote:
No one is biting...that's good.
yet, jamie. no one is biting yet. and it looks like you just stepped into the killing-with-simple-green-is-hilarious line of fire. sucka!
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Aaron
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:04 pm
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leah wrote:
Stanglor wrote:
No one is biting...that's good.
yet, jamie. no one is biting yet. and it looks like you just stepped into the killing-with-simple-green-is-hilarious line of fire. sucka!
Yeah, dumping chemicals into the environment is fucking heelareous!
Bophol. Love canal.
rlotz
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:32 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 311Location: Capitol Hill
Aaron wrote:
Yeah, dumping chemicals into the environment is fucking heelareous!
Bophol. Love canal.
Does that mean I shouldn't pour dihydrogen monoxide down my drain or into the lake?
Aaron
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:31 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
rlotz wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Yeah, dumping chemicals into the environment is fucking heelareous!
Bophol. Love canal.
Does that mean I shouldn't pour dihydrogen monoxide down my drain or into the lake?
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