whether it is an inflated price is a worhty debate.
but there is no doubt that this frame has had the shit raced out of it.
but its steel. unlike Al or carbon, it can handle lots a fatigue and still go strong.
do you see a toptupe dent from a bar spin as a large liability on a steel frame (which obviouly is over its racing days)?
greggsomafixed
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:43 am
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For that much money I'd have a frame custom built.
Then I can custom-dent it myself.
whether it is an inflated price is a worhty debate.
but there is no doubt that this frame has had the shit raced out of it.
but its steel. unlike Al or carbon, it can handle lots a fatigue and still go strong.
do you see a toptupe dent from a bar spin as a large liability on a steel frame (which obviouly is over its racing days)?
Sorry, but it's not worth it for that price. At that dollar ammount one could get a custom frame built through any number of local fram-building companies and be assured that it would fit them perfectly. That's my thought anyway.
Also, there ain't no 56 frame that'd fit this gringo.
bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:44 am
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greggsomafixed wrote:
For that much money I'd have a frame custom built.
Then I can custom-dent it myself.
for the "buy it now" price, i totally agree.
Torch
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:54 am
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"The stays have scratches on both sides plus a good one on the inside. Despite this it is still looks great and has a ton of character."
that's like saying the girl you want to set your friend up on a blind date with has "a great personality, and she's a terrific dancer."
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bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:58 am
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Torch wrote:
"The stays have scratches on both sides plus a good one on the inside. Despite this it is still looks great and has a ton of character."
that's like saying the girl you want to set your friend up on a blind date with has "a great personality, and she's a terrific dancer."
yes, but do you really think that scratches in the pait will make a master-crafted steel bike ride any differently?
(again, price issues/arguments aside)
lantius
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:03 am
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also... $500 for a frame? i'm sure it is very nice but come on now, unless it is razor sharp and cuts people like a katana that's just alot of money for an old track frame.
"The stays have scratches on both sides plus a good one on the inside. Despite this it is still looks great and has a ton of character."
that's like saying the girl you want to set your friend up on a blind date with has "a great personality, and she's a terrific dancer."
yes, but do you really think that scratches in the pait will make a master-crafted steel bike ride any differently?
(again, price issues/arguments aside)
Yes. It's a steel bike which means it's particularly susceptible to the effects of moisture. AKA rust. riding a frame like that in pacific NW would inevitably have rust issues. Additionally it looks like it's already getting rust damage in those scratches. Lastly, if you're buying it because of what kind of frame it is you're not likely to repaint it which means that you're leaving that bare steel exposed. I'm gonna guess that a rusting frame is going to have some performance issues after a while.
bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:11 am
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j_ryde wrote:
bott wrote:
Torch wrote:
"The stays have scratches on both sides plus a good one on the inside. Despite this it is still looks great and has a ton of character."
that's like saying the girl you want to set your friend up on a blind date with has "a great personality, and she's a terrific dancer."
yes, but do you really think that scratches in the pait will make a master-crafted steel bike ride any differently?
(again, price issues/arguments aside)
Yes. It's a steel bike which means it's particularly susceptible to the effects of moisture. AKA rust. riding a frame like that in pacific NW would inevitably have rust issues. Additionally it looks like it's already getting rust damage in those scratches. Lastly, if you're buying it because of what kind of frame it is you're not likely to repaint it which means that you're leaving that bare steel exposed. I'm gonna guess that a rusting frame is going to have some performance issues after a while.
personally, i would re-paint it. my current ride was purchased with surface scratches and rust. but when steel rusts, it expands 18x in volume. so a little surface rust is neglagable to the integerty of the tubes. just sand it off and re-paint.
i can totally see buying an ex-keirin frame that has been very well used and reviving it for a sweet city ride. but obviously not for $1500.
im not trying to start a shit storm about this, sorry. maybe im just a sucker for nagasawas.
greggsomafixed
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:15 am
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i don't see it as a shitstorm. Besides, I know you'd repaint it. It's just fun to talk about! hehe
erin
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:18 pm
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this conversation rules.
bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:57 pm
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erin wrote:
this conversation rules.
i think this conversation is best had with lots of beer.
...take as needed for pain.
terrydean
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:15 pm
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
j_ryde wrote:
bott wrote:
Torch wrote:
"The stays have scratches on both sides plus a good one on the inside. Despite this it is still looks great and has a ton of character."
that's like saying the girl you want to set your friend up on a blind date with has "a great personality, and she's a terrific dancer."
yes, but do you really think that scratches in the pait will make a master-crafted steel bike ride any differently?
(again, price issues/arguments aside)
Yes. It's a steel bike which means it's particularly susceptible to the effects of moisture. AKA rust. riding a frame like that in pacific NW would inevitably have rust issues. Additionally it looks like it's already getting rust damage in those scratches. Lastly, if you're buying it because of what kind of frame it is you're not likely to repaint it which means that you're leaving that bare steel exposed. I'm gonna guess that a rusting frame is going to have some performance issues after a while.
It would take many many salt baths for those scratches to actually ever rot. Surface rust is like ugly paint. It comes off with a bit of steel wool, 0 damage to the metal.
terrydean
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:18 pm
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
I would LOVE to have that bike.. Look at those drop outs! That BB shell! But then, I'm pretty partical to beat up lookin bikes.. I mean, you've all seen mine, haha.
bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:22 pm
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kingpenguin wrote:
I would LOVE to have that bike.. Look at those drop outs! That BB shell! But then, I'm pretty partical to beat up lookin bikes.. I mean, you've all seen mine, haha.
good to know that im not the only one who sees the beauty in supurb function.
its all in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. its the Buddha in the machine!
terrydean
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:28 pm
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
bott wrote:
kingpenguin wrote:
I would LOVE to have that bike.. Look at those drop outs! That BB shell! But then, I'm pretty partical to beat up lookin bikes.. I mean, you've all seen mine, haha.
good to know that im not the only one who sees the beauty in supurb function.
its all in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. its the Buddha in the machine!
Seriously, if I wern't trying to save for an apartment, I would probably do something stupid like drop half a paycheck on that thing. I couldn't see myself spending more than the starting bid though..
And it's a little too big for me.
bott
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:32 pm
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yeah, its actually a little small for me. and i would probably consiter paying maybe ~$550 for it (consitering it has a NJS headset and bb).
the way i see it, for ~$500 you could get a new bareknuckle or soma, which are nice frames, or possible a used keirin frame? i would go for the master-built japanese steel (assuming it was just cosmetically beat up in the seasons of racing it did).
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