though i'm not a huge fan of the burke, it is a massive improvement over the surface street routes heading north. unfortunately a bunch of asshole property owners in LFP are basically attempting to get it shutdown and eventually annexed into their properties.
i am interested in going to this meeting to see what they have to say for themselves, like the master plan meeting i'd invite you to come if you are willing to be more or less civil.
if you're looking to be uncivil, i've had an idea rolling around in my head. talk to me on a ride sometime.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:36 pm
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Correct me if i'm wrong... but isn't this meeting on Thursday at 7:00? Motherfuckers.
I'll go up to this as long as people will get drunk with me afterward.
Count me in. I used to live in LFP – I probably taught half their kids swimming lessons. Bitches!
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:33 pm
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I'd be up for it, too, especially since I ride that route most days. It would be fun to ride downtown from school all sober and shit and then back after a prefunking.
though i'm not a huge fan of the burke, it is a massive improvement over the surface street routes heading north. unfortunately a bunch of asshole property owners in LFP are basically attempting to get it shutdown and eventually annexed into their properties.
i am interested in going to this meeting to see what they have to say for themselves, like the master plan meeting i'd invite you to come if you are willing to be more or less civil.
if you're looking to be uncivil, i've had an idea rolling around in my head. talk to me on a ride sometime.
I hate that section of trail too, but there's no way I'm riding up LCW at 7am. The buses are the worst offenders on that route.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:37 pm
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dashap wrote:
It would be fun to ride downtown from school all sober and shit and then back after a prefunking.
I'll even bring the funk. No, not Ben Harper...
Jace
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:29 pm
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Let's take the thusday night ride strate there. Leave at 7, get there right as the people are getting out. No maybe we should just meet there.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:38 pm
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Can someone explain in 100 words or less how these rich asshats in LFP could get as far as annexing the BG onto their property, but when the rich asshats on East Lake Sammamish tried that game they lost and now have a bike trail in their back yard?
lieutenantsean
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:10 pm
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You can't create interest in something unless you can create an enemy to demonize. It's the American way and how politics are done.
Fuck the lot of them. Lake City way isn't that bad in the morning. People need to quit being such pussies and letting traffic intimidate them.
And if the City of Lake Forest Park doesn't want us riding on the BGT, they'll have to deal with my punk ass riding on 522.
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Finn
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:10 pm
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harlot wrote:
Can someone explain in 100 words or less how these rich asshats in LFP could get as far as annexing the BG onto their property, but when the rich asshats on East Lake Sammamish tried that game they lost and now have a bike trail in their back yard?
I'm no lawyer, but it seems a town can annex unincorporated (county) territory (ie the bike trail) and place it under civic control. Using this maneuver: http://www.mrsc.org/subjects/legal/annex/annex.aspx[/url]
Then the city could render said trail useless. If the aforementioned asshats were actually annexing the trail into their private properties, cyclists could then claim that the trail belonged to cyclists under the statutes regarding easements or adverse possession. (if they made improvements, see "squatters' rights")
Of course, I've been wrong before... (79 words)
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lantius
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:14 am
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i may have been a little over-arching in my statement that they would annex it into their property - but given their idea of rerouting it to have adequate buffer from their property and setting a 10mph speed limit (with radar) and continuing to set right-of-ways to to driveways is tantamount to neutering it into a glorified sidewalk.
and then after a while? who knows what will become of it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:58 am
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yeeeeeeeee- i missed the 10mph part. that's craptacular. i don't know many folk who ride bikes that slow, even on the burke. moving violation tickets for breaking that speed limit certainly won't be looked kindly upon.
let's hear it for seattle politics, where every NIMBY jackass can get their way!
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:50 am
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lieutenantsean wrote:
Fuck the lot of them. Lake City way isn't that bad in the morning. People need to quit being such pussies and letting traffic intimidate them.
Have you ridden from Ballenger to 145th? The bus lane is narrow and buses have it in their head that we don't belong there (probably because it says "Buses Only", even though the law says we have access). Buses typically take the entire space - and I'm not going to win that battle ever.
Once you hit 145th - no problems, but that uphill section has NO shoulder at all and a ton of overzealous bus drivers.
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Yup. Did it this morning. And the day before. Had a shit stomping good time too.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:24 am
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i just heard back from someone that i emailed from that page. not sure if this is a city council man or just a neighbor along that route
here is their email:
Quote:
Thank you for your e-mail. I am sorry that someone has misinformed you that the city council is in the process of obstructing the redevelopment. That has not been the majority of the council's position since the first of the year.
If someone has informed you of this please ask them exactly what the issue is as I would like to understand more exactly what is standing in the County's way. It certainly is not the city. In fact, with the County's history of inability to maintain what they do have I would think the cyclists would be much in favor of the county being required to maintain and adequately improve the trail.
If you would like to find out the specifics please let me know and I will address them. I have asked Dave Hillier of your club but he was not able to provide me specifics and had an out of date version of the ordinance. I believe we are close to finishing/resolving the issues that the county has raised in an equitable manner for all concerned.
Thanks,
Dwight Thompson
Irene Arden
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is cascade just making excitement over a non issue, or is this guy just side stepping issues? no idea
ripper
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:37 am
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He's sidestepping the issue. He actually doesn't address any part of what's being said in the city resolution (including the driveways having right-of-way, 10mph speed limit, etc) which is what I, and hopefully CBC, should care about. The city council is changing the trail/traffic rules, which IS obstructing the redevelopment of the trail.
Bah.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:41 am
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t'aint but one way to find out.
I'm more inclined to go with the alarmist asshole interpretation just because seattle in general and Cascade in particular has their fair share of very vocal alarmist assholes.
Lee's bit seems to have come straight from the CBC website so i'm not accusing him of being an alarmist asshole. Vocal maybe. Asshole possibly.
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jason
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:06 am
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Yup, I taught this guy’s kids swimming lessons too. Dwight is actually a good guy – He IS a LPF councilman and lives across the street from the trail crossing at 165th. There have been a good number of folks on bikes hit at the intersection and it has poor visibility for cars - some of the residents in that neighborhood lay on their horn when they cross the trail there because of it.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:38 am
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jason wrote:
Yup, I taught this guy’s kids swimming lessons too. Dwight is actually a good guy – He IS a LPF councilman and lives across the street from the trail crossing at 165th. There have been a good number of folks on bikes hit at the intersection and it has poor visibility for cars - some of the residents in that neighborhood lay on their horn when they cross the trail there because of it.
it might just be me, but the dwight dude sounds like an ass load of buttholes.
all they need at the driveway crossings is a fucking mirror so the people can see other people, and to put stop signs on which ever route that gets less traffic.
why is everybody in this fucking country so fucking stupid?
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i know those stop signs are a big problem issue with lots of users of the trail. currently, the stop signs point towards the trail users, which is the majority of traffic in both directions
stop signs really should be angled towards the drivers, as the drivers going over those crossings are by far the minority.
we've had some talk over the years of heading down there at night and turning the signs around on them :)
jason
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:55 am
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the dreaded ben wrote:
all they need at the driveway crossings is a fucking mirror so the people can see other people, and to put stop signs on which ever route that gets less traffic.
I agree - I wasn't talking about driveways. Stop signs on the trail at driveways are for rick fucks who drive SUV's.
derrickito wrote:
we've had some talk over the years of heading down there at night and turning the signs around on them :)
Thats the best idea I've heard in a long time.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:58 am
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derrickito wrote:
we've had some talk over the years of heading down there at night and turning the signs around on them :)
Point83 Sign Party...
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lantius
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:15 am
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ahem. shhhh.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:23 am
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can we swing by the south end of the ballard bridge with a jackhammer afterward?
that fucking curb is the bane of my existence.
joeball
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:24 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
can we swing by the south end of the ballard bridge with a jackhammer afterward?
that fucking curb is the bane of my existence.
Or just bring back an "extra" stop sign from up north, and put in facing the right south bound lane at the end of the bridge so those darn right hand turners actually stop for a ped whose path they are crossing.
Patrick
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:15 pm
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FYI I just posted a letter sent from Ron Sims to the sponsor of Lake Forest Park's Ordinance 951 on our web site. He explains why the ordinance is ridiculous. It also shows how heated the relationship has gotten between LFP and King County. Thursday should be an interesting show...
_Patrick
Cascade Bicycle Club Advocacy Dept.
derrickito
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thanks for the link patrick
looks like we'll have a few people joining you at this meeting.
lantius
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:24 pm
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"Both the Phase 1 and Phase 2 transportation engineers under contract with King County have recommended that trail stop signs at driveways be removed. Again this is consistent with best practice traffic engineering standards and King County is following these standards to ensure the trail is redeveloped in the safest possible way."
derrickito
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:27 pm
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looks like the city feels as strongly as everyone else.
just a few homeowners trying to have things their way thinking they own the area.
langston
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:29 pm
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joeball wrote:
the dreaded ben wrote:
can we swing by the south end of the ballard bridge with a jackhammer afterward?
that fucking curb is the bane of my existence.
Or just bring back an "extra" stop sign from up north, and put in facing the right south bound lane at the end of the bridge so those darn right hand turners actually stop for a ped whose path they are crossing.
I would recommend a Yield sign instead of a Stop. With the traffic on the bridge, a mandatory stop would prove to be dangerous.
henry
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:33 pm
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derrickito wrote:
... thinking they own the area.
which uh... they do.
but that doesn't allow them to be assholes about it.
No problem, derrickito. I have a feeling you don't actually look like your avatar, so come up and say hello at the meeting. You can see what I look like from this dorky picture the PI took of me when they were setting up our blog:
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henry wrote:
derrickito wrote:
... thinking they own the area.
which uh... they do.
but that doesn't allow them to be assholes about it.
Actually, apparently at least one of them has built a structure in the Burke-Gilman's right of way.
That's what you learn by reading traffic engineers reports. Not particularly recommended.
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gsbarnes
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:37 pm
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Patrick wrote:
FYI I just posted a letter sent from Ron Sims to the sponsor of Lake Forest Park's Ordinance 951 on our web site. He explains why the ordinance is ridiculous. It also shows how heated the relationship has gotten between LFP and King County. Thursday should be an interesting show...
_Patrick
Cascade Bicycle Club Advocacy Dept.
I count three overt threats in that letter. Tactfully worded overt threats, mind you, but overt nonetheless.
For those keeping score at home: 1. We will sue your ass under the Growth Management Act if you pass this. 2. We will sue your ass for taking public property for private use (against the State Constitution, so double ouch) if you pass this. 3. Good luck getting any KC Parks Levy money out of us if you pass this.
Sims makes Nickels look like an amateur.
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langston
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:41 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Sims makes Nickels look like an amateur.
no doubt. He runs King County with an iron fist and that's why I voted for him. The Spokavegas crowd would burn the state to the ground before they let him be gov'nur but shit... the man lives for density.
sigh
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:38 pm
Joined: 16 Nov 2005Posts: 14Location: phinney
i'm a fan of the sidewalk modification proposal for the ballard bridge. i've named that spot as the spot i'm most likely to die. i'll signal where i'm headed, make a quick check, and then get in a space or on someone's bumper if i can. it'd be great not to have to swerve out into the car's lane, but rather to continue straight on south on 15th. a yield for bikes/peds would be welcome as well.
martin
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:24 pm
Joined: 30 Jan 2006Posts: 712
lantius wrote:
"Both the Phase 1 and Phase 2 transportation engineers under contract with King County have recommended that trail stop signs at driveways be removed. Again this is consistent with best practice traffic engineering standards and King County is following these standards to ensure the trail is redeveloped in the safest possible way."
I noticed someone chalked the road at one of the stop signs in LFP (I was heading the other direction, but could still read it):
<loosely quoted>
"STOP! That means complete stop. Put a FOOT DOWN!"
</loosely quoted>
This was one of the middle stop signs amongst that series of like 6 stop signs in under 300meters. I obviously stopped...
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