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d) AWESOME, like getting drunk and cooking waffles on Mercer Island
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henry
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:25 pm
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
Ok. So some of you people like bikes. Some of you people like boats. Some of you may even like both.
I've got an idea, and i'd like some input on it.
What would ya'll douchebags think of a big bikey/boaty meetup thing this summer in the San Juans?
It'd go something like this:
We pick a location or two (Indian Cove on Shaw and Spencer Spit on Lopez come to mind) that is good for both bikes and boats. IE: there's good moorage and good camping on shore.
Then we'd all go there via boat, or bike.
The next day we could go to the next location. Also via boat or bike.
I'd be excited to do this on boat or bike, but i suspect my boat is in more demand than my bike. I can sleep 6-8 on board, but it's really most comfortable with 4. I can carry about 4 bikes no problem too, but they would get some exposure to salt water.
Our boat should be up and running by then, we can take...2? Or more if you plan on camping. Bobhall should have his boat by then, and if we heckle amanda and justin enough, perhaps they will have one too.
AlabamaJoined: 15 Sep 2006Posts: 303Location: Central District
Vann wrote:
i"what kind of sailors are you?"
I envision this... but I'm still game.
Razi
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:01 pm
Joined: 16 Dec 2005Posts: 866Location: Seattle
Cassnasty wrote:
Where are you getting a boat, Raz?
I will hopefully be able to take the UW's Catalina 27' by then. Or a Ranger 26' (faster, but much less comfortable).
I have access to a Islander Bahama 24' right now, and it is perfectly seaworthy, but getting it comfortable for cruising would take a LOT of work and I am pretty happy keeping it as a daysailor for the time being, even though it is a joy to sail and likes salt water.
I know a handful of bikey-boateys who would be willing to come along for this cruise. Many of them are more boatey than bikey, but are still great people and excellent sailors.
Is anyone going to bike? So far it sounds like most people are talking about boats.
I love biking on the San Juans. Lots of great stuff to see, good routes, low traffic, good hills. Spencer Spit State Park on Lopez is a great campground (and probably the best busy campground in the state).
alex
bobhall
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:39 am
Joined: 28 Jul 2006Posts: 460
I'll have a boat by then. I can bring four other people (hooray for 30' boats!). It would be really great to get bikes up there too, but there won't be room for 5 people AND 5 bikes. That would be insane.
I've never sailed to the San Juans from Seattle. Isn't it like a 2-day trip each way? Depending on when this trip happens, my boat could still be in Bellingham, which is a lot closer to the islands.
Hooray bikes & boats!
Aaron, as per your human-powered boats: There was a pretty sweet group of people up in the Ham who were into engine-less sailing. Yes, most sailboats have engines and are generally considered as standard and necessary equipment. They used oars for auxiliary power though, not pedals. This is my friend single-handing his 38-foot boat with no engine near Bellingham:
This boat cruised with no engine for two months in Canada, and last summer sailed down to San Francisco. Kind of makes people who think you need an engine sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.
henry
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:51 am
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
Bob -
I don't know how fast you steam but it's a good 12 hours for us from the locks to Anacortes (obviously depending a lot on tidal factors) and we steam at about 5.5kts through the water.
I'd be departing from Anacortes because that's where Dorothy Rose lives these days.
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
bobhall wrote:
Kind of makes people who think you need an engine sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.
Oh if you're sailing up from seattle in July or August you can expect it to talk you several weeks. The winds that do exsist will be coming right down on you, and those will be around for about 45 minutes each day.
Cruising in the PNW in the summer is generally a very calm affair I've found. I love sailing in the winter. Last Sunday I had quite a day in 35kts. Roller Furler broke (damned technology) and i got to deal with it while we were pitching around in 4 feet of big wet 50 degree chop.
Kind of makes people who think you need an engine sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.
Oh if you're sailing up from seattle in July or August you can expect it to talk you several weeks. The winds that do exsist will be coming right down on you, and those will be around for about 45 minutes each day.
Cruising in the PNW in the summer is generally a very calm affair I've found. I love sailing in the winter. Last Sunday I had quite a day in 35kts. Roller Furler broke (damned technology) and i got to deal with it while we were pitching around in 4 feet of big wet 50 degree chop.
Yeah dude, summer sailing can really suck around here. That's why I love that "opening day" for sailing is in May, or whatever. The best shit is happening right now! Kind of makes me want to move to San Fran....
martin
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:30 am
Joined: 30 Jan 2006Posts: 712
bobhall wrote:
henry wrote:
bobhall wrote:
Kind of makes people who think you need an engine sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.
Oh if you're sailing up from seattle in July or August you can expect it to talk you several weeks. The winds that do exsist will be coming right down on you, and those will be around for about 45 minutes each day.
Cruising in the PNW in the summer is generally a very calm affair I've found. I love sailing in the winter. Last Sunday I had quite a day in 35kts. Roller Furler broke (damned technology) and i got to deal with it while we were pitching around in 4 feet of big wet 50 degree chop.
Yeah dude, summer sailing can really suck around here. That's why I love that "opening day" for sailing is in May, or whatever. The best shit is happening right now! Kind of makes me want to move to San Fran....
This sounds interesting, if I come - I promise I'll stay out of the way.
Razi
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:47 am
Joined: 16 Dec 2005Posts: 866Location: Seattle
Now is a pretty good time for sailing, but the amazing shit usually happens in November when we have fronts coming in just about every single day with STEEP gradients. I expect there to be some damn fine days for it later this month and into March too, already the southerlies are getting strong again.
Henry, where the hell did you find 35kts on Sunday? I was attempting to windsurf on the lake on Sunday and the biggest puff I had did not even push 20.
I am certainly biased, but I do not find keelboats nearly as exciting as dinghies. I mean, anything is exciting in 35 kts (and there is no way in hell I would sail anything other than a seaworthy keelboat in 25+) but generally speaking, sailing is much more fun when what you are sailing is tiny, tippy, and not bound to "hull speed".
There is really nothing like getting a dinghy to plane in 12 knots, or flying a hull on a cat in 15kts. By comparison, 12-15 knots in many cruising sloops is just enough to consider swapping the genny for a lapper--certainly good sailing, but not the most exciting sailing out there.
Now is a pretty good time for sailing, but the amazing shit usually happens in November when we have fronts coming in just about every single day with STEEP gradients. I expect there to be some damn fine days for it later this month and into March too, already the southerlies are getting strong again.
Henry, where the hell did you find 35kts on Sunday? I was attempting to windsurf on the lake on Sunday and the biggest puff I had did not even push 20.
I am certainly biased, but I do not find keelboats nearly as exciting as dinghies. I mean, anything is exciting in 35 kts (and there is no way in hell I would sail anything other than a seaworthy keelboat in 25+) but generally speaking, sailing is much more fun when what you are sailing is tiny, tippy, and not bound to "hull speed".
There is really nothing like getting a dinghy to plane in 12 knots, or flying a hull on a cat in 15kts. By comparison, 12-15 knots in many cruising sloops is just enough to consider swapping the genny for a lapper--certainly good sailing, but not the most exciting sailing out there.
I understood about 5% of that.
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Razi
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:42 pm
Joined: 16 Dec 2005Posts: 866Location: Seattle
mcrawfor wrote:
I understood about 5% of that.
Sorry. Here is the translation.
Sailing is pretty fun right now. Autumn might be better though because the winds are stronger and more frequent, although winds from the south are picking up again.
Henry. 35knot winds? wtf?! Winds on the lake were much meeker than the mighty winds of which you speak.
Dinghies (small boats that do not have weighted keels to keep them stable) are more fun than larger boats that have keels. But in 35 knots (really fucking windy) I can appreciate the merit of a keel to keep the boat upright, and would not attempt to sail something without a keel. Still, I like boats that are smaller, inherently less stable, and able to skim the water (plane) and go really fast rather than slice through the water at a speed which maxes out at a velocity determined by the nature of the hull. Hull speed.
Sailing dinghies and catamarans in moderate winds sure is fun! Because in moderate winds you can get a dinghy to do this:
or a catamaran to do this:
whereas such winds would, to a keelboat sailor, cause them to consider perhaps changing a very large sail to a slightly smaller sail.
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
Yeah dinghy sailing is great. I'm going to do the C-15 series that my dad does every summer with him again this year, if he gets the new sails he's been talking about.
To illustrate how breezy it was sunday let me share this.
When we returned to the marina (Cap Sante in Anacortes) we were inside the breakwater (about 12 feet above the water). We had no canvas up. And we were still healed (tipped) over about 5 degrees when we were going across the wind (just from the windage on the standing rigging, the sticks and wires that don't move). Luckily we have a slip on the north side of our pier or else it would have been exciting times keeping fiberglass away from concrete.
Shit. 5 degrees of heel from bare pole is impressive. I read once that most cruising boats will make hull speed dead downwind under bare pole in anything above 40 kts, I have never tried, nor do I particularly want to.
I love boats. I would like to ride in one of y'all's boats. I have boating experience and can hopefully be more of a help than a hinderence. Oh, and for the record (though my lack of recent riding may not show this) I love bikes!
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MikeOD
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:23 am
Joined: 04 Feb 2006Posts: 545
A boat/bike trip sounds great. I don't have any sailing experience at all, but I still remember some knots from when I crewed on the Evinrude private yacht years ago. No sails on that thing. That's me on the bow in my dress whites, port side, in a publicity photo taken in Ft. Lauderdale the day we finally came out of the boatyard after a major refurbishing.
I got to spend beautiful sunny days in the Bahamas hanging with these fine ladies, who were quite famous from Bob Hope's USO tours.
Well ok, really I just walked their poodles and tried to keep them from crapping on the deck. The poodles, that is. My employer (Francis Langford, left) was a nice lady, but I had my fill of the mega-rich and the power yachting world. I bet sailing's a lot more fun.
lantius
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:53 am
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
how about these gusty winds today, ye scurvy sailors?
Razi
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:24 pm
Joined: 16 Dec 2005Posts: 866Location: Seattle
lantius wrote:
how about these gusty winds today, ye scurvy sailors?
I got a call from a friend around noon telling me to leave work early and meet him at the docks to do some sailing. But unfortunately by that time I was halfway to Bellingham for a work function I could not neglect.
I was bitter all afternoon. I would not have attempted to sail on Puget Sound where the winds were at their strongest, but the lake was fair game, and I am pretty bummed that I missed it.
Joined: 23 Jan 2007Posts: 88Location: Beautiful Bellingham, Washington
Count me and my orange Peugeot and my Haida 26 in. If I get the main cabin cushions finished before the trip I'll be able to sleep 4 in some comfort, and more importantly my boat may have room for as many as 4 bikes in her capacious cockpit lockers. I'd really like to tour lopez and san juan. I've ridden all over Orcas, but I have not had a chance to explore the other main islands much by land.
Razi wrote:
I will hopefully be able to take the UW's Catalina 27' by then....
It would be good to sail with Charlotte again, it's been a while...
and in a note completely unrelated to summer sailing in the san juans:
Razi wrote:
Shit. 5 degrees of heel from bare pole is impressive....
In severe Bellingham winter storms we get gusts upwards of 80 kts, and I've seen 40 ft boats tied up in relatively sheltered slips heeling about 30 degrees at the dock.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:26 pm
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
I will never cease to be amazed by nerdation brought on by the internet.
eärendil
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:42 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2007Posts: 88Location: Beautiful Bellingham, Washington
the dreaded ben wrote:
I will never cease to be amazed by nerdation brought on by the internet.
whatever, the nerdacity was already there, the internets just give people the illusion that it's ok to share their nerditude with others.
Razi
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:12 pm
Joined: 16 Dec 2005Posts: 866Location: Seattle
Ben, shouldn't you be worshipping the porcelain gods right now?
I do not think that sailing nerdlingerness is much different than biking nerdlingerness. Sailing just has a longer history and a different language.
I realize this advice will fall on deaf ears, but seriously, don't be a hater. Sailing is pretty akin to cycling as far as fun shit to do, it is certainly more akin to cycling than many other activities people engage in.
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
it's not that ben hates sailing, it's that he hates nerds.
sekai
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:20 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 1466Location: on the lake
Speaking of sailing, any of you boaty kids have a rig tension tool?
We are putting this into the water next weekend.
joeball
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:06 am
Joined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 6037Location: Ether
I missed this thread while I was north in Bellingham. Yes I am interested.
I'd probably want to ride up or have my bike handy, not sure about strapping it to a boat though. Send the boats up loaded with a bunch of supplies I would not want to haul or buy in the San Juans sounds good to me. Stuff like:
Firewood (if we can burn)
Beer
Delicious BBQ food
Sleeping gear.
The sailing crew can get their fix and we make use of their cargo capacity. Then we can all bike and explore on the islands and come back to our base camps for the night.
What month were people considering doing this?
sekai
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:46 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 1466Location: on the lake
joeball wrote:
I missed this thread while I was north in Bellingham. Yes I am interested.
I'd probably want to ride up or have my bike handy, not sure about strapping it to a boat though. Send the boats up loaded with a bunch of supplies I would not want to haul or buy in the San Juans sounds good to me. Stuff like:
Firewood (if we can burn)
Beer
Delicious BBQ food
Sleeping gear.
The sailing crew can get their fix and we make use of their cargo capacity. Then we can all bike and explore on the islands and come back to our base camps for the night.
What month were people considering doing this?
I foresee the drinkable cargo arriving a little lighter.
consider it a cargo tax.
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