Section 11.58.050 OPENING AND CLOSING VEHICLE DOORS. No person shall enter, leave, or open the door of a motor vehicle on the side adjacent to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic, nor shall any person leave a door open on the side of a vehicle adjacent to moving traffic for a period of time longer than necessary to load or unload passengers.

.. but my flashy light was flashin'.

This may cause some controversy, but any cyclist that gets "doored" it is their own damn fault!

it doesn't really cause any controversy as far as i'm concerned, you're wrong. it is always the door-opener's fault if they door you, since the onus is on them to avoid causing any interference with traffic.

it doesn't really cause any controversy as far as i'm concerned, you're wrong. it is always the door-opener's fault if they door you, since the onus is on them to avoid causing any interference with traffic.

... the whole concept of subsidized parking on city right-of-ways is retarded anyhow, we should get rid of all street parking ...

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But mostly, listen to Lee, kid.

Why? What did Lee say that could help a cyclist to avoid being doored?

huh? i'm not saying "hey ride in the door lane", i'm saying "if it does happen it's not your fault."

even if you habitually take the lane there's times when you can unintentionally get into the door zone, and that's when it's important to not let the inattentive motorist make you take the blame for their mistake.

Why? What did Lee say that could help a cyclist to avoid being doored?

i, for one, welcome our new hyperactive 5 year old on methamphetamines with a firearm overlords

a hyperactive 5 year old on methamphetamines with a firearm

This may cause some controversy, but any cyclist that gets "doored" it is their own damn fault! I see so many of you just riding along in the door zone. Move 4 feet away! The law says you must ride as far to the right as is safe. Well any closer than 4 feet to a parked car is unsafe. By 4 feet, I mean 4 feet from your shoulder. One should never even come close to getting doored. Seriously, pick up any book about cycling and there is a section about how not to get doored. Looking into each car window for a driver is bullshit. You cannot be that attentive. Make it a habit to just take the lane. Cars can just go around in the "passing/turning" lane on road dieted streets and in the proper passing "suicide" lane on 4 lane arterials. Now, the next time a door swings open, you will be far enough away to just keep riding.

This is the very reason Cascade, David Hiller, the SBAB, and all the rest of TBC sucks [Henry's] ass. They want to put narrow bike lanes right in the door zone. Some bike lanes are only 3 or 4 feet wide -- Like the one on 2nd Avenue or on Dexter. Just take the lane folks. And speak up at bike planning meetings. The only way to make a safe bike lane next to cars is for the bike lane to be 6 feet wide. Then you can ride 4 feet away from the car doors and still be in the bike lane. The only way to do this is to REMOVE the parking from one side of the street. An added benefit to this is that there will be no cars along one bike lane. This should be the down hill side if possible.

Isn't it odd that we hear of all these cyclists getting doored, but you almost never hear of car doors getting ripped off by other cars?

I'll probably get doored then hit crossing the street tommorow.

Trevor, you just ride UNDER the door, right?!

Yes, Gypsie could have avoided the accident. Now she knows. Don't ever assume cars will give the right of way. She had it.

Ride in the middle of the lane and cannot ever get doored. It is pretty simple, folks.

Isn't it odd that we hear of all these cyclists getting doored, but you almost never hear of car doors getting ripped off by other cars?

Ride your bike where the right wheels of the car drive and you cannot get doored. In that position, your handlebars are about 5 feet from the parked cars. Reverse this for one-way streets. If you are doing the speed limit, then ride in the middle of the lane.

Yeah, I was not talking about legal fault.

man jeff, don't you have some messengers to go talk trash about?

the reason i was in the, ahem, "share lane" (denoted by the "sharrows") is because i was riding uphill at rush hour. i usually give a very wide berth to parked cars when i'm haulin' oats downhill .. but when i'm climbing, solo, at night, during rush hour, i generally stick to the inside & just try to be alert. at no point did i ever suggest that it was exclusively the door-opener's fault. while lee is correct in saying the driver bears the legal onus, the laws of tonnage & reality dictate that the onus of self preservation resides in my court.

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You still actually hang out with this bike thief? Shit...

...You ride a bike because you don't know how to drive, not because you give a shit.

oh fuck off, poser POS. You ride a bike because you don't know how to drive, not because you give a shit.

whatever he said before it was edited away