Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
So a few of us quicker kids have tossed the thought around of hitting the summer race series as consolidated unit. We haven't done any of the research as to what it requires to register a team, or the requirements of the team to enter races. Mostly it would just be cool to be able to come to a race and know that there would be infrastructure & people to race & train together.
We could probably get a cut rate from jerzeys.com (or wherever that place Derrick conned into making the FHR jersey) to get us proper matching team kits. At least one of us would need reliable transportation enough to get a majority of us to the race. A van, something like Justin's Volkswagen comes to mind so that those who don't own cars are SOL. We'd all need racing licen$e$, or at least be able/willing to pay for day-of temporaries. We'd all need geared bikes suitable & reliable enough to go fast on.
Miles, Heidi... anyone else interested? Tis the season, the first series of races, Mason Lake, are already underway.
bobhall
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:57 pm
Joined: 28 Jul 2006Posts: 460
I'd like to race, pretty please.
mcrawfor
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:00 pm
Joined: 09 May 2006Posts: 1039Location: Ballard
I'm totally down, but I am only free the weekend of the 24th/25th in March.
Let me know whats up. Thanks a ton for taking the initiative/organizing!
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gsbarnes
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:15 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
langston wrote:
We could probably get a cut rate from jerzeys.com (or wherever that place Derrick conned into making the FHR jersey) to get us proper matching team kits.
Based on the water bottle I picked up from the FHR scrap heap, it's bikejerseys.com
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mississippi
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:43 pm
Joined: 02 Feb 2007Posts: 258Location: cap hill
front me the cash for time off and a killer sweet bike, and i am in!!
derrickito
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:56 pm
now with 50 percent more EVILJoined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 10566
someone from cascade has been mailing our sponsors and giving them the "shame shame" treatment... i got a note from the bikejerseys.com people telling me "we should settle our differences" and he asked that we remove his logo from our site. i sent him a note back trying to smooth it over and letting him know because of this race thread we might actually use him for a pile of custom team racing jerseys.. (we'll see!)
in all reality, the guy that has the time to go around and try and scold companies for giving us some respect, he should be shived in the side with a spoon
what im saying is basically, we might need to have to go to someone else for jerseys :).. thanks cascade!
here the fuddy duddy's email
Quote:
I am writing you to express my dismay at Bikejerseys.com's recent sponsorship of the FHR (Fucking Hills Race) on February 25. While it makes sense that your company is actively promoting recreational cycling and broadening the appeal of cycling, I feel that adding your support to this particular event of the Point 83 Club is misguided.
The Chilly Hilly is one of Seattle’s premiere group rides, drawing over 4000 participants to a cold and wet ride around Bainbridge Island. The Cascade Bicycle Club organizes this ride and uses it as one of their largest fundraisers. Riders pay upwards of $30 for registration, rider support is excellent, the Washington State Ferries work extra hard to accommodate the crush of riders, and community groups across the Island use it for fundraising.
The Fucking Hills Race you sponsored uses all of the effort of these groups, but few riders actually donate money to Cascade and in effect run the course “for free”, taking all the advantages of this ride without giving back to the groups that are actually doing the work. While the occasional pirate rider is a fact of an event like this, an entire brigade of over 50 organized riders is classless and rude.
More importantly, thousands of riders of all abilities are out on the Chilly Hilly. Cascade has done a good job of encouraging faster riders to start earlier and to separate riders by speed so that everyone enjoys the ride. With the later start of the FHR and their not being part of the Chilly Hilly bike loading (because they have not paid to be part of the ride), these riders are throwing a wrench into this system. On this ride, you’re as likely to see families pulling trailers, newbies walking bikes up hills, and plenty of riders for whom the alley-catting free-for-all techniques of the FHR riders are not only not appropriate or respectful, but not safe. According to their own site, “it's a huge group ride and you never know who's going to run into you."
There is no way the Cascade Club can stop this club from using the Chilly Hilly to conduct this misguided race. But as a sponsor of the Fucking Hills Race, you have some influence to stop this unsafe and rude event. It is my hope that you will not lend your support to this event in the future.
hates people who are different than the norms, but yet lists gay pride as an interest. diversity is a wonderful thing right?
heidib
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:50 pm
Joined: 17 Nov 2006Posts: 95Location: maple leaf
yeah langy. i'll help you do stuff. i love point 83 more than my college and would love to race with you guys.
i'm going out to mason lake this weekend, i'll tell you how it is.
-heidi.
p.s. to miles and anyone else who's interested: lets go to mason lake on the 24th, i can't make it out the 17th or anything.
p.p.s. does team .83 really need kits? we are going to get our asses kicked anyways. might as well look hot and not like squidy d bags.
p.p.p.s. bob hall you should road race your fixie.
derrickito
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:53 pm
now with 50 percent more EVILJoined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 10566
denny rode some cyclocross races last year and did it in cut off pants and tshirts. he took some shit for it but ended up doing really well in the races from what i heard.
backing up what heidi said, maybe think about putting a team together in minimalistic daily riding garb (team ghetto!) and attaching bibs or something to show team unity? just throwing out ideas.
langston
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:37 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
derrickito wrote:
backing up what heidi said, maybe think about putting a team together in minimalistic daily riding garb (team ghetto!) and attaching bibs or something to show team unity? just throwing out ideas.
with all that has percolated, I amiable to ride it in casual-r garb. At least early in the season you'll see me in the jersey gear as I've found it to be warmer per foot/pound of resistance.
and all that shit about the FHR and booing sponsors... that's some wack shit from a guy who, frankly, doesn't know what he's talking about. Aside from Erik's (county-sent, erik-paid) ambulance ride I don't think we use any resources provided by Cascade. I didn't even stop the bike this year, let alone eat their food, drink their water or use their shitters. I'm not paying a cover just to support a bicycle club that I don't ride with, and in many ways fundamentally disagree with
bobhall
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:35 am
Joined: 28 Jul 2006Posts: 460
Yeah dude, we need to race in casual clothes. I love those pictures of Denny keeping up with the spandex guys.
Sorry Heidi, but I should really buy a geared bike :)
As per FHR fuddy duddy: I had my reservations about having a *race* on top of the Chilly Hilly, but I found that it was pretty easy to pass people without being a total bastard about it. I did plenty 'on-you-left'-s and sometimes went in the other lane. Sometimes I got blocked and had to slow down for a few seconds, but I figured that it was ok, since it's not like we came into the finish line that close together anyway. I understand that there are plenty of newbies out there just trying to do a ride, so I passed with a lot of caution. All this bickering aside, my experience was that most people loved seeing pirate flags and fixed gear bikes. I got tons of yaaarrrrrghs and shit - even from middle-aged ladies.
mork the delayer
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:45 am
Joined: 06 Apr 2006Posts: 548Location: Providence, RI
I only encountered one person claiming to represent Cascade and telling me that I was destroying everything she held dear.
The response was other than that very positive, curious and amused.
Our group certainly contains a good share of assholes, why shouldn't Cascade have a healthy asshole contingent as well? Let the assholes rail; bicycle joy shall rule the day regardless.
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Joe
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:41 am
Joined: 15 Feb 2007Posts: 430
It's rather sad that bikejerseys would end their relationship with point83 over one complaint. Makes me wonder if this was the only one after all.
It's also pretty clear from this incident and their overall stance towards non-Cascade groups and events that Cascade cares a hell of a lot less about getting people on their bikes and more about getting them to pay money to ride in their events. They purport to accept riders of all stripes and levels of skill, which it does for the most part, I'm sure, but the common element to everybody it considers a "legitimate" bicyclist is that they are essentially recreational riders, not people who are also truly serious about making bicycling a primary mode of transportation. That's why point83 rocks: because the people you see at an event didn't just hop on their bikes to come to the ride; they most likely have already ridden their bikes from work, school, the bar, or wherever beforehand. In short, point83 keeps it real.
okay, I'm done.
Uncle Martha
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:53 am
Joined: 18 May 2006Posts: 343Location: Cap. Hill / Madison Valley
mork the delayer wrote:
I only encountered one person claiming to represent Cascade and telling me that I was destroying everything she held dear.
Wow, it's amazing that "everything she holds dear" is so easily destroyed. How inconvenient for her.
Quote:
Our group certainly contains a good share of assholes, why shouldn't Cascade have a healthy asshole contingent as well? Let the assholes rail; bicycle joy shall rule the day regardless.
Indeed. I've had a reasonably good balance between "good"/"bad" experiences with people in their spandex (in Colorado spandex outfits are called "spankies", so "squids" is still a bit difficult to get used to for me) and with their multi-thousand dollar bikes; ditto for the pointy-three crowd and their fixies or whatever they're riding. It's unfortunate that the "bad" experiences are so memorable.
In any case, we can but hope that the fun of riding trumps whatever proprietary feelings people have about who should be allowed to ride when and where et cetera.
As for the team and racing; I would love to be a part of it, but I've only got my fixie and I rather doubt that I'm in racing-shape. Anyway, it sounds like fun.
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henry
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:14 am
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
the first person i see wearing .83 spandex gear will be rewarded with my spuds getting buried in they're digestive system from the bottom.
Also, dude whining to sponsors: You're a big asshole and you've pissed me off. You deserve my spuds in your butt, by i don't deserve to have your whiny shit on my shoes. Fucker.
'Kay. We've bitched about cascade enough. Let's stop pirating Langston's Team83 thread to do it! ;) We have like six other threads we can use to whine about square assholes with overdeveloped senses of right vs. wrong.
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bobhall
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:46 am
Joined: 28 Jul 2006Posts: 460
mcrawfor wrote:
'Kay. We've bitched about cascade enough. Let's stop pirating Langston's Team83 thread to do it! ;) We have like six other threads we can use to whine about square assholes with overdeveloped senses of right vs. wrong.
Good call, Miles.
It seems like if we're gonna get a little more serious about racing, it would be a good idea to commit to doing a century every week. Maybe not a specific day of the week, but at least genuinely trying to get those rides in at least once a week. What do you guys think?
mississippi
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:00 am
Joined: 02 Feb 2007Posts: 258Location: cap hill
who is going to head up this project?
count me in as a racer and in for at least a weekly group training run.
mcrawfor
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:01 am
Joined: 09 May 2006Posts: 1039Location: Ballard
bobhall wrote:
It seems like if we're gonna get a little more serious about racing, it would be a good idea to commit to doing a century every week. Maybe not a specific day of the week, but at least genuinely trying to get those rides in at least once a week. What do you guys think?
Well, I kinda liked the idea because I thought it would let me see how I liked the whole racing thing without my having to spend huge amounts of time training and give up drinking beer and riding with .83. So, while I like centuries as much as the next guy... I was kinda hoping to *not* commit to anything! ;)
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:10 am
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
mork the delayer wrote:
Our group certainly contains a good share of assholes, why shouldn't Cascade have a healthy asshole contingent as well? Let the assholes rail; bicycle joy shall rule the day regardless.
i resemble that remark.
dennyt
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:30 pm
rocket mechanicJoined: 02 Aug 2005Posts: 2708
I'm sorry, Cru. Rad Racing is going to have to have $50,000 in sales in order to qualify as a sponsor. It's a new rule.
(I think there's already a Rad Racing cyclocross team)
professorJoined: 21 Jun 2006Posts: 1566Location: central district
At the risk of re-hijacking Langston's thread, I think I'm gonna invite fuddy-duddy bikenerd to ride in the 327 Words Half-Century for FREE if he wants. And any of his Cascade buddies, too can pirate right along.
gsbarnes
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:28 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
dashap wrote:
At the risk of re-hijacking Langston's thread, I think I'm gonna invite fuddy-duddy bikenerd to ride in the 327 Words Half-Century for FREE if he wants. And any of his Cascade buddies, too can pirate right along.
Hey, I'm a Cascade member. Does that mean I get to ride free?
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dashap
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:47 pm
professorJoined: 21 Jun 2006Posts: 1566Location: central district
gsbarnes wrote:
Hey, I'm a Cascade member. Does that mean I get to ride free?
If you make friends with Mr. Fuddy-Duddy, sure!
gsbarnes
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:57 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
dashap wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Hey, I'm a Cascade member. Does that mean I get to ride free?
If you make friends with Mr. Fuddy-Duddy, sure!
According to his blogger profile he's in marketing; I think I'll have to pass.
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heidib
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:25 pm
Joined: 17 Nov 2006Posts: 95Location: maple leaf
bobhall wrote:
It seems like if we're gonna get a little more serious about racing, it would be a good idea to commit to doing a century every week. Maybe not a specific day of the week, but at least genuinely trying to get those rides in at least once a week. What do you guys think?
in terms of training: practice racing, not dying.
a century is kind of over kill. if you want to train, i'd do shorter rides with intervals, hill practice, and pace lines and shit if you want to be competitive. long distance is not key, it's all about like. . . being tricky and kicking people asses where it's going to hurt them the most.
for example: if you can carry a fast pace for 5 minutes and ditch an assload of people, you can slow down and sit into a pack again. being able to go 100 miles is not as important as being able to break away with a pack going 20+ mph for 4 minutes or sprint the shit out of a medium long hill.
i think. i don't know for sure. this is a shout out to road racers who read this forum : how do you train?
Happy Stick Person
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:59 pm
Joined: 20 Sep 2006Posts: 1168Location: Leschi
I play video games and read comic books...
but I will say my favorite race tactic is the pump through the front spokes!!! works like a dream.
heidib
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:12 pm
Joined: 17 Nov 2006Posts: 95Location: maple leaf
good call.
Neanderthal brutality always wins in the end.
gsbarnes
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:30 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
heidib wrote:
good call.
Neanderthal brutality always wins in the end.
What about a good doping regimen?
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Hayduke
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:33 pm
Joined: 01 Feb 2006Posts: 677Location: Seattle, WA
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langston
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:33 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
gsbarnes wrote:
heidib wrote:
good call.
Neanderthal brutality always wins in the end.
What about a good doping regimen?
don't you mean supplemental nutrition? My doping regimen is entirely different that my nutritional managment. One gives me the munchies, the other makes me go faster...
gsbarnes
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:20 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
langston wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
heidib wrote:
good call.
Neanderthal brutality always wins in the end.
What about a good doping regimen?
don't you mean supplemental nutrition? My doping regimen is entirely different that my nutritional managment. One gives me the munchies, the other makes me go faster...
Doping for snowboarding is different from doping for bike racing. Maybe you need to hire a 'trainer' to lend you some 'medical expertise'.
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Remington
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:12 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 457Location: Remington Country
Count me in. Have cutoffs, will race. I'll be squiding out with the Huskies for the short college season, and racing with you guys for the rest. As for training, I just "keep it real" by riding/commuting just about every day and ride hard when I feel like it. I agree with Heidi, holding a fast pace is more important than century endurance for these races. If you want Langston, we could do some paceline practice, which will be important for keeping up, and really makes you feel like a team.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:41 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
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heidib
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:38 am
Joined: 17 Nov 2006Posts: 95Location: maple leaf
Remington wrote:
If you want Langston, we could do some paceline practice, which will be important for keeping up, and really makes you feel like a team.
and it's where you get to check out the other dude's butts on your team ;)
langston
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:42 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
heidib wrote:
Remington wrote:
If you want Langston, we could do some paceline practice, which will be important for keeping up, and really makes you feel like a team.
and it's where you get to check out the other dude's butts on your team ;)
Sounds good. When is good to get quorum? I'm unemployed, so I'm quite free.
as for team-car goes, I have a POS '91 Camry that can take two bikes on the back, two in the trunk and seat 3 + me. Not the most comfortable, or legal, ride but it would get us there.
mississippi
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:48 am
Joined: 02 Feb 2007Posts: 258Location: cap hill
I have a bike rack and a bmw that needs the other half of the engine put back on it.
my rack fits pos cars though. if needed.
i am free on weekends and most week nights after 6.
langston, you riding tonight?
mcrawfor
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:55 am
Joined: 09 May 2006Posts: 1039Location: Ballard
Team car: I have a reliable outback that seats 5 people and carries 5 bikes without undue crowding. Crowding, yes, but it's due.
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Remington
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:08 am
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 457Location: Remington Country
langston wrote:
Sounds good. When is good to get quorum? I'm unemployed, so I'm quite free.
How about this weekend? I don't really want to study for finals anyways. We can talk about plans tonight. I'm thinking Lake Washington blvd for getting the mechanics of pacelines down.
heidib wrote:
and it's where you get to check out the other dude's butts on your team ;)
Heidi, you'll only get a view of mine. Everyone else will be busy following you.
langston
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:11 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
Remington wrote:
langston wrote:
Sounds good. When is good to get quorum? I'm unemployed, so I'm quite free.
How about this weekend? I don't really want to study for finals anyways. We can talk about plans tonight. I'm thinking Lake Washington blvd for getting the mechanics of pacelines down.
heidib wrote:
and it's where you get to check out the other dude's butts on your team ;)
Heidi, you'll only get a view of mine. Everyone else will be busy following you.
sounds good. I've got some evening commitments this weekend, so if we can do this at least late-morning you'll get more out of me than a kick in the balls.
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