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j_ryde

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:22 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

I've noticed a good number of posts recently that strongly deviate from the original topic. I'm as guilty of this as the next guy. We all want to have a good time and try to be funny, but I think it might be in everyone's best interest to try to be respectful of what others are trying to discuss. There are some threads on the forum which are completely about randomness and sillyness, and others which are seeking informed responce and decent discussion.

I think i may have overstepped my bounds a bit by deleting several of these postings, and if I've offended anyone I appologize. Again, i know I'm being hipocritical, but I've fixed my issues with making my own random posts, and I hope that everyone will give their reactions to someone's posts a bit more thought before they reply. And if you must interject your randomness then please find one of the threads that those kind of posts belong in.

Sorry to be a dick about things, thanks, and have a happy friday.

derrickito

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:02 am

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i think everything works fine on this forum, when people ask for help on a topic, they usually get it.

if there is any randomness and off topic discussion going on, it's just like it is in real life. there's never a conversation in real life on a ride that stays completely on topic. in reality, conversations generally end up in different places from where they started. as it does in real life, it sometimes does on the forum

thats my input. i think you're overthinking something that isnt a problem

more input, just be NICE to each other. thats the biggest problem that i could see developing on this forum between a few people.

we're all here to have a good time centered around riding bikes, not picking on each other

derrickito

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:03 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

and now i have to go and climb a mountain on a bike.

terrydean

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:20 am

rocker boi Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1535 Location: santa fe, i think

When the hell did this forum become all formal and shit?
If people are getting butthurt, maybe they need to loosen up a bit, eh?

j_ryde

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:42 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

Derrick, I thank you for your presumptions, and Dean your point is well phrased.

My bad for saying anything was wrong at all.

Have at it fellas.

Actually let me retract that. Rather than just pretend you're all merry and just blow me off Derrick, I'd appreciate your consideration of my opinions. As much as you'd like to think that things are happy and fun and we all just like riding bike and smiling, some things deserve more respect than that.

In this case taking a post about good bike karma and using it to talk trash about a bike shop seems completely unnecessary. Or photoshopping a picture of Mike's nephew with a horsecock? Give me a fucking break. Please tell me that you guys aren't beyond a simple scrap of common decency.

I'm all about having fun, but I'm also about having some respect. Is that too much to ask?

terrydean

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:27 pm

rocker boi Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1535 Location: santa fe, i think

We are all friends, and friends give eachother a hard time. No one means any disrespect by it.

Even though I keep giving you crap about these preachy high-horse posts, you know I still respect your opinion. If we weren't all good friends that didn't hang out and get plowed together all the time, I think some of the stuff you're saying would be more valid, but we're kind of like a family.. giving your brothers and sisters shit is what you're supposed to do!

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:27 pm

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 86

one-iine comments, razzing on other people, pictures of horse genetilia, etc. can become quite boring and maybe even annoying for people who don't want to read such things and therefore can make this forum a chore to read. my two cents.

terrydean

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:45 pm

rocker boi Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1535 Location: santa fe, i think

This forum is quite slack compared to what you get on a Thursday night. Or, you know, any typical point83 event. Sooo, if a little razzing and horse cock on the forum is too much for you (or anyone), why are you even here? Not to be a dick or anything, but this is the point83 forum and debauchery is what point83 was built upon.
I don't know, if don't want to read it, don't? Cos I'm pretty sure it's not going to stop.

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:56 pm

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 86

well, reading my previous post you might see that i find the actual discussion interesting (for example the discussion about baltimore CM), but the one-liners not so interesting.

i believe this is what jake was trying to say. i was agreeing.

when i come to a thrs night ride, no one calls me names or likens my appearance to horsecock via charades or anything like that. maybe i talk to different people than you? cos if all my interactions were charades about horse-cock on thrs night i woudn't come anymore.

yay.

terrydean

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:40 pm

rocker boi Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1535 Location: santa fe, i think

How many rides have you been on? I'm suprised you've been on any and not gotten any crap from anyone. Especially once we hit the bars. Everyone get's sloshed and Aaron and Derrik are yelling HORSE COCK and everyone's being called an asshat and beer is being spilt on everyone and fries and nachos are flying across the room.. that's a typical point83 night.
Don't get me wrong, it's nothing but love, but razzing and horse cock is what point83 does best.

derrickito

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:13 pm

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theres more than enough space on the forums here for casual razing, serious conversations, bike help questions, philosophical debates over the needs of bike lanes or no bike lanes, horsecock, and if miller lite is less filling or if it tastes great, or anything else.

terrydean

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:16 pm

rocker boi Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1535 Location: santa fe, i think

derrickito wrote:

w0rd

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:28 pm

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 86

yay. i'm done.

futurenorth

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:45 pm

Bed Bleeder Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 839 Location: Ballard

I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable on this forum.

Sometimes people can be total assholes on here but I don't think we mean anyone harm. I know I've participated in the hating, but I would agree with Charles. I like the posts that serve a purpose more than the posts that involve retarded behavior.

Oh well. btw, Recycled is having a 20% off sale today!

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protaghiro

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:56 pm

Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 52

this is a forum for a bunch of guys and gals who are booze crazy free spirited bikers. i think editing the forum in any way is a bad idea, unless someone is SERIOUSLY out of line.

if you want a serious forum with a bunch of happy pc people, why not post on bikeforums.net, or the usenet rec,bicycles.whatever forums. the randomness here is quite comical, and causes me to laugh quite often. i see no harm in that! its why i come here in fact. i am always guaranteed at least one laugh. (that picture of derrick on the horse was FUCKING awesome).

i definitely dont come to this forum for SERIOUS reasons, mostly for fun. i have come to expect the horsecock/motherbitch responses to pretty much any post... thats just the way it is here.

leave well enough alone? these things will naturally filter themselves out. but deleting posts you deem inappropriate? seems excessive for a little upstart biker-drunk-semi-nerdy-club.

j_ryde

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:52 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

derrickito wrote:

Derrick, you've been known to edit numerous posts and delete others in the interest of "not upsetting people" or causing fights. One which side of this debate do you really stand? Or do you have a bit of a double standard?

derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:40 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

who did i edit? jordan? ha!

i dont like seeing people that are already friends start infighting, and frankly, you've started alot of that in fighting and provoked it. if ive edited anything, it was a couple of your posts to calm a couple of situations

theres no double standard there at all. i dont see a reason why you cant get along with everyone for the sake of just having a nice feeling around here. get along with aaron, get along with kori, get along with dean, and stop speading a pile of hate around

its making biking with the group not fun anymore. its a pain in my ass just posting this.

captainbrad

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:15 am

6ft Twenty Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 293 Location: Sea-Town, WA

Mommy! Daddy! Stop fighing!

seriously, people just need to chill out. sometimes arguments are the best way to settle shit. at least we're not throwing blows at every ride. jeezus.

I can understand jake wanting to edit shit for being waaaaay off-topic. That's not to say that I agree completely, but I understand.

I can also understand Derrick deleting shit when it's obvious it's only going to get worse. Again, don't necessarily agree....

You guys are all a bunch of motherbitches anyway. Just get the circle-jerk and (self) flagellation overwith, and move on.

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j_ryde

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:17 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

derrickito wrote:

I'm not spreading hate Derrick, I'm trying to keep things about biking, and asking people to be more respectful. I, for one, think that it's a shame no one cares about the actual bike riding anymore. The question I get asked most at our rides is, "what bar are we going to?" and the majority of the decent discussion on this forum is interrupted by immature posts with people screaming horsecock or acting like idiots.

Yeah, there's pleanty of room on this forum for people to have decent discussions and room for people to act like idiots. So much room, in fact, that it shouldn't be too hard to keep those things in their respective places. You want to keep things happy and friendly for everyone? Then give a nice friendly "ok" to the people in this who wish to have some topics reserved for appropriate discussion. If, however you deem it necessary to be an ass whenever you please to whoever you please it'll make your double standard pretty obvious.

Many people aren't having fun biking in the group anymore because people are biking less, drinking more, going straight to bars, and acting like bigger asses on the rides. You lead this behavior by example Derrick. I think that should be corrected just as much as the online discussions should be, that is if you really are concerned about making sure everyone has fun. We are a biking group after all.

iro1751

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:19 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 723

captainbrad wrote:

you said "throwing blows" Hahahahah!

iro1751

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:30 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 723

iro1751 wrote:

you said "throwing blows" Hahahahah!

sorry i can never pass that one up. . . that said, I'm not sure where I stand on the subject of editing posts, but there does need to be a refocusing, probably both here and on our rides. The influx of bbq's may have had something to do with it (I know I lost interest in them after the first few) but it seems that the drinking aspect has overtaking the biking problem of our "llittle" group. Not that I'm against drinking (quite the contrary) but we should really refocus, and get the speed and distance up on our Thursday rides, I'm not talking marathons or anything, but bikes bikes bikes. Bikes are the glue that put us together. The drinking, debauchery and general irreverence to everything else needs to be secondary. Let's ride!

futurenorth

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:37 am

Bed Bleeder Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 839 Location: Ballard

Quote:

Now this is what I think we're all talking about here. When I showed up the first couple of times the distances covered in a night were awesome. But we've grown and longer distances aren't always as easy to make happen. But then the question of whether we slow our rides to accomodate new people comes up.

As far as the bar situation goes, it's hard to take a stance. I know I've been crazy at the bar after a ride, but it seems to be getting out of hand. A couple of weeks ago when we went to the Tin Hat we were a huge group of assholes. Not assholes in a good way, but assholes in a really bad way. Not letting the servers through. Throwing shit(I've been guilty of it). I'd like to get back to the .83 that rides and rides and rides and then stops for a little while somewhere and then rides more.

I think we have an awesome group. This is called growing pains.

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Torch

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:55 am

Terrance Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1637 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands

ok, i might as well chime in here. this may get long-winded, so maybe go find coffee first.

i'm pretty ambivelant about the editing of posts and such. on one hand, i'd hope that we'd generally have enough respect for one another to not be total dinks to each other, but that's been proven wrong a few times already. having said that, i'd also like to think that we're all grown ups and can take it when someone's being an ass. 95% of the asshatted-ness that goes on here is pretty good natured, i'd say, and the bits that aren't, well, just chalk it up to human nature.

this is what happens as a group grows. realistically, we've moved beyond "group of bikers" and into the realm of being an actual, honest-to-goodness "community." as a community grows, people bring their own personalities, their own baggage, their own levels of maturity etc into it, and as such, the nature of the group will start to change.

example: when we ended up at the college inn last thursday, dreadlock ben and i were standing in the center of the back room looking at how the different (dare i say it) "cliques" had arranged themselves around the tables. one table had the girls and the guys who were hitting on them. one table had a group of guys talking about computers. one table was mostly filled with people who were fairly new to the group and maybe didn't know a lot of people. another table was filled with "the old guard" (people who had been around for a while) and were loudly laughing and having a good time. yet one more table had people who had been around for a while but by their own nature are a little quieter and more introverted.

i'm not saying this is a bad thing. it's a natural aspect of "community." as this little baby called Point83 grows up, she's going to encounter these kinds of growing pains. i'm sure when you all started these thursday night rides last year it was just a group of like-minded bikers going out for a good fast ride. good ideas tend to spread, and now we're pushing 35 or more people every week. again, not saying that's a bad thing.

really, it's watching the theory of evolution at it's finest.

as the group evolves, maybe there's a need to add a second limb to it, as such. thursday night rides... shorter, slower ride that involves a goodly amount of booze. maybe another ride on, say, tuesday evening or sunday morning is in order, with the knowledge UP FRONT that it's intended to be a longer, faster ride that may or may not involve a stop somewhere. i'd be more than willing to step up and organize/facilitate that (as much as it really doesn't need a "leader"... mostly just someone to say "hey, we're going to meet here at this time etc").

ok, maybe time for me to stop talking now. my wrists are starting to cramp up. maybe this doesn't add anything to the discussion/topic. i'm just trying to give some perspective.

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langston

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:03 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 5547 Location: Columbia City

[quote="Torch"]as the group evolves, maybe there's a need to add a second limb to it, as such. thursday night rides... shorter, slower ride that involves a goodly amount of booze. maybe another ride on, say, tuesday evening or sunday morning is in order, with the knowledge UP FRONT that it's intended to be a longer, faster ride that may or may not involve a stop somewhere. i'd be more than willing to step up and organize/facilitate that (as much as it really doesn't need a "leader"... mostly just someone to say "hey, we're going to meet here at this time etc").

I picked up this torch (ha ha. torch. I'm so funny.) awhile back, when the weekly rides started getting more drunken, and not satisfying my mileage needs by semi-organizing rides on Tuesdays where we get some longer rides on. I think we're big enough, and that there is enough interest while the weather holds to get a subset out on longer rides. Once the weather turns to shit, I expect a significant drop off in numbers on Thursdays, things may stretch out at that point.

CHris

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j_ryde

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:09 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

These are all great points. .83 started out being a group of people who rode bikes, and MAYBE we'd stop at a bar. It's grown a lot thanks to the open arms of the community that has formed, but it's now more of a thursday night pub crawl. Some people attribute that to the size of the group, but I don't think it has to be that way. We used to make special nights for pub crawls so the Thursday night ride could stay true to it's main focus: riding. All drunken debauchery could be done on a weekend night more ideal for day-long recouperation.

So I agree with Scotty in that there needs to be a group that focuses on riding, but I think that group should be .83 and should be Thursday nights. If anything we should set up a "go out and get lit" night on a friday for the people who like it slow with lots of bars. We're not like other biking groups in town, nor should we try to be. Just because we're big doesn't mean we have to go slow. Everyone who really wants to ride with us has learned to keep up. Thursday nights should be for riding, and if people want to set up a pub crawl they can do that on a different night rather than turning the Thursday night ride into one week after week.

futurenorth

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:12 am

Bed Bleeder Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 839 Location: Ballard

.83 started as a bike club that rode bikes.

I don't think we need to slow down on Thursdays. I think we should be a bike club that rides the way .83 was meant to be.

If people want a slower ride, then there are 6 other days to do that. I think we shouldn't be changing the original night. But that's one opinion.

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derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:35 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

i think this thread is horseshit.

why? we've been going and getting drinks on rides since day one. where did we go the night we got the name .83. TWO BARS? we dont always get drinks, sometimes we do, sometimes we dont. seriously, i see no problems.

the last two rides i went on i put on 30-40 miles on my bike. if that isnt enough mileage for a thursday night ride, i dont know what is. NOT ENOUGH MILES? check your odometers once in a while kids, if you vanish off the ride after the first 45 minutes, you probably will only put in 10 miles.

what else is eating me? SECRET MEETINGS that leave the majority of people that put tons of effort and love into this group OUT. secret little meetings to discuss things like .83 committees, .83 LEADERS (HAHAHA), .83 TERMS OF SERVICE (that one had me rolling), and a definitive .83 structure. things that go against everything that i loved about "riding bikes with friends"

oh what, you didnt get that little private message? im not surprised, only what 4 people got an "invitation" to it? and of that 4, how many people got one that were on the original rides? how many people got one that have been on every single ride since whenever it was that they started with us?

makes me sick.
makes me want to ride my bike by myself and remember what it is that i love about riding bikes. it makes me happy, it makes me smile, and it certainly doesnt involve committees and hate cliques.

seriously. i get 30-40 miles out of my point83 rides. and i see no problem with the lazy, happy go lucky way that we get things done.

i wont be at that "secret meeting", but if anyone wants to go and isnt in the high school clique and "cool" enough to be invited, its at the big time brewery in the u district tonight at 7:30

erin

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:50 am

Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 277 Location: Seattle

I'm very new, so I've just been trying to feel things out (ha ha) on my first couple rides. I've enjoyed them, but I had definitely imagined that .83 would make more distance and time before stopping to have drinks anywhere, and this hasn't been the case on my first couple of rides.

I personally would rather not make the first stop, whether it's at a bar or a drinking spot, until later on in the evening. Can't we all ride solidly for a good couple of hours before stopping somewhere? I think the group will naturally break up along the ride into at least two groups. Whoever can keep up with the super-strong riders should do that, those who want to ride solidly for two hours but can't quite keep that pace should just give 'er and we can all meet at an agreed-upon place at, say 11pm. There might be a third group of people who don't want to ride solidly for two or three hours, that's fine too. They could go putter around for an hour, go straight to the bar or drinking destination and wait for the rest of us.

It just means that we all need to be just a tiny bit more organized and agree upon a place to meet up later before we leave Westlake. Does this make sense? You guys have probably already tried all this, I dunno.

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derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:52 am

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such horseshit i couldnt get all my thoughts into just one post. continuation...

how the group and rides is now is SO MUCH FUCKING FUN. why people want to go and fuck with a good thing is beyond me. group organization? there is a reason i dont ride with cascade bicycle club. because of things like dues, terms of service, ride leaders, RULES. etc.

might as well suck the life (life being FUN) right on out of a good thing.

ack.

makes me sick. makes my stomach turn. seriously

futurenorth

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:03 am

Bed Bleeder Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 839 Location: Ballard

In the interest of keeping the peace I'd like to do a bit of explaining.

I was not part of the original group. I 'joined' in March and my first ride was on the 17th, which is St. Patricks day. We crawled to bars and had a smashing fun time. About 5 times I was told that crawling to bars isn't really what .83 was, but tends to happen occasionally. The next couple of rides were longer distances and faster paces with a stop at the end of the night. I fell in love knowing that I was getting excercise and riding bikes with people who were into riding.

The meeting tonight wasn't meant to be elitist. If you want to come tonight, please do. The whole point of tonight is to take a step back and do an analysis of the group.

How is the growth? How do we feel, as a group of different people, about the distances covered? What about stopping? How about bringing people in?

If anyone wants to come tonight to voice their opinion, you're totally welcome. No high school bs. No cliques. It was started as a small meeting at first because it's easier to talk with 10 people than it is with 30.

So, just to be clear: No terms of service. No dues. Nobody leading rides. Every group goes through growth problems. In my opinion it is wise to take an inventory.

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iro1751

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:06 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 723

derrickito wrote:

such horseshit i couldnt get all my thoughts into just one post. continuation...

how the group and rides is now is SO MUCH FUCKING FUN. why people want to go and fuck with a good thing is beyond me. group organization? there is a reason i dont ride with Training Wheels bicycle club. because of things like dues, terms of service, ride leaders, RULES. etc.

might as well suck the life (life being FUN) right on out of a good thing.

ack.

makes me sick. makes my stomach turn. seriously

And the Oscar goes to. . . .

I'm not sure, but I don't recall there being any decisions made as to even discussing dues, rules, terms of service, but is the thought of bringing them up and deciding whether or not they need to be in effect so out of the question that this thread (*argument*) be unnecessary. Is simply considering the evolution that point83 is going through distasteful to you? What's wrong with putting these questions on the table and having an open discussion about them? Granted the thought was to keep the initial discussion small in numbers, but this wasn't through any motive of secrecy, rather it was to keep it small with the intention to actually get something accomplished and decided. Whether it be to institute some form of organization (possibly necessary considering the growing numbers) or simply scrap any idea of organization all together (which may see the whole thing fall apart).

I like, nay LOVE, point83 and do not want it to disappear. Perhaps discussing options may keep it together. Just a simple consideration, plainly said sans ridiculous histrionics.

derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:13 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

well just an FYI, i didnt pull out all those things out of thin air.. heres the original PM that got me pretty HOT.

Quote:

Derrick,
I'm not sure when you get back from vacation, but wanted to let you know that a group of us will be meeting next tuesday at 7:30 at Big Time Brewery in the u-district. The purpose of this meeting will be to discuss thoughts, suggestions, and ideas about creating a more definite structure to .83. Be they rules, terms of service, possibility of leadership positions, or whatever ideas people want to bring to the table. Basically we all feel that .83 is starting to experience some growing pains and is becoming a bit too chaotic on the rides and in general. With so many new people coming in that no one knows or has really even met yet, our hope is that this will create a more official organization to guide the club. We need something, that much is certain. We're a club, not another Critical Mass. The casual lassiez-faire approach was great when we only had 10-15, but with close to 40-50 people on rides there's got to be more direction.

Now this may all be a horrible idea, and if it is we'll talk about nixing it in committee. We're keeping this whole thing quiet now until we can discuss it further. I'd hate to have this be a huge issue if it's something we decide to not go through with. We're going to at least meet on it and we'd like you to be there. The other people that are involved at this point are people who have also put in a great deal of time, money, effort, and enthusiasm into the group: Jason, Mike, Leslie, Justin, and me.

Hopefully you're able to make it too. We all value your opinions, especially since most of the club wouldn't exist without your efforts.

Anyway, I hope you're nejoying yor vacation, and I'll see ya when you get back!

-Jake

whatever the intentions were, it seems really backhanded that it was planned out as a secret meeting, and in that planning alot of people that love the group just as much as anyone else were left out. aaron? joby? dean? brad? charles? i could go on forever with piles of names

this stuff could have been brought out here in a forum designed to talk about such things in the group, instead of pulling them out behind the scenes.

ack. really. i dont need this stress. ive done enough damage in this thread for one day and im going to keep my ass out of it for a little while and get some work done.

i wont be at that meeting because i think it's pointless and a waste of time, if there were things like this that were concerns, it would have been nicer to bring them to a group as a whole, in the open

:)

dennyt

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:15 am

rocket mechanic Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2708

I'm new to the group, been on 5 rides (in a row) and a race. I'm amazed that Jake and Derrick and a few other people put as much effort as they do into .83, organizing races, buying booze, making trophies and spoke cards, creating and maintaining and paying for this website I read every hour. It's fucking awesome.

I got involved because of the open invitation on the front page of this website. If things are getting out of hand, or moving away from the original idea that got it started, then I think the core group has a right to sit down and talk about their baby.

derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:21 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

dennyt wrote:

I got involved because of the open invitation on the front page of this website. If things are getting out of hand, or moving away from the original idea that got it started, then I think the core group has a right to sit down and talk about their baby.

i LOVE it when people feel so open and welcomed into the group. it's really a bunch of people that dont know each other that have all warmed up to each other and become friends because of biking. creating a community like this of us jackasses that is so open and welcoming ROCKS.

taking a good thing, and fucking it up by setting rules, leaders, excluding people, hating people, and all that fucks it up in my opinion. hearing people excited about meeting a group of likeminded people that all laugh and play around and have fun == awesome. hearing daily "oh i hate so and so, i wish she wouldnt come to the ride" just turns my stomach.

j_ryde

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:25 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

The group of invitees had grown since the original PMs went out last week. We wanted to diversify the input at that meeting by including both people who have been around for a long time and people who are relatively new to the group. Was this solely my idea? Not in the slightest. Don't make me out to be the nazi here, derrick. We just decided that i should be the one to send you a PM because i knew you best out of the group.

Now that the meeting is open to everyone, then everyone is welcome to come. New members, old members, anyone who's a member and capable of having a rational discussion on evaluating the current direction of .83.

Should you choose not to come to the meeting and weigh in your opinions of .83 then that is your choice, and we will assume that you're ok with decisions made at that meeting. If anyone has feelings, ideas, and contributions brough up by Jason's description of the meeting (as that's indeed what we're meeting to discuss), but is unable to attend for one reason or another, please end them to Jason, Mike or myself in an Private Message format, or as an email and we'll make sure to bring your comments up at the meeting.

derrickito

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:32 am

now with 50 percent more EVIL Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 10566

we have a forum set up to suit this need perfectly. why not use it to house this kind of discussion, where people can view it at their own time, and everything is recorded for all to view?

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Should you choose not to come to the meeting and weigh in your opinions of .83 then that is your choice, and we will assume that you're ok with decisions made at that meeting.

really? so if three people show up and make a decision that all bikes should be purple and fuzzy boas are the official dress of all rides then it is so ?

this is fucking childish. im not going because there is no reason to go and its stoopud in the first place.

put that on the table and smoke it.

iro1751

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:35 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 723

derrickito wrote:

we have a forum set up to suit this need perfectly. why not use it to house this kind of discussion, where people can view it at their own time, and everything is recorded for all to view?

Quote:

Should you choose not to come to the meeting and weigh in your opinions of .83 then that is your choice, and we will assume that you're ok with decisions made at that meeting.

I for one actually enjoy feather boas. I'll second that vote! I'll even second the idea of recording the discussion as it goes. No need to allow any evil deceptions to go unchecked.

shortbus

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:37 am

Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 13

Derrick, you truely are the most two faced individual I know. You are all about preaching the "everyone is welcome" and "we're not elitist". But have a couple of drinks and you are also the first one to destroy property, cause conflicts, make people upset, and not give a shit about it or anyone else. So save all of your histerical fingerpointing. You are in the minority on this one. And you are naive if you think that a lot of our new people are going to be opposed to this. There was no secrecy, we have included people from the different ends of our group to come and participate by giving their insite. I'm glad you announced it, one of the ideas about the meeting was to invite everyone. And lastly Derrick, I for one have the balls to tell you that it is your behavior both on rides and on the forum that has upset a good number of people and made them uncomfortable. I'm sure much more so than the talk of adding organization and structure.

Leslie

j_ryde

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:40 am

hissy fit Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Sea-Town

derrickito wrote:

we have a forum set up to suit this need perfectly. why not use it to house this kind of discussion, where people can view it at their own time, and everything is recorded for all to view?

Quote:

Should you choose not to come to the meeting and weigh in your opinions of .83 then that is your choice, and we will assume that you're ok with decisions made at that meeting.

Because you, and others have shown time and again that they're incapable of discussing things on this forum in an informed manner. Second, not everyone uses this forum (we are a bike riding group after all, not all of us are web geeks). And Third I believe that enough people care about .83 that we'll recieve their input for the meeting (if they're not there in person). Like Brad posted a long time ago: "arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics..." Real, and beneficial, discussion happens in person. I think you underestimate the people meeting tonight derrick and their passion for .83, not to mention their ability to engage in rational discussion.

I know you wont be at the meeting tonight, but I am still taking a copy of your input (whish you sent to me in a PM, and have reiterated online) to read aloud to the group and be considered.

futurenorth

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:41 am

Bed Bleeder Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 839 Location: Ballard

Whatever comes out of this meeting will be brought to the group as a whole. If the whole group decides it's retarded and childish, then we'll scrap it. But there can't be anything wrong with meeting to talk about the future of the group.

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