Who want to go on a Bollard, I mean Goss Stop, removal ride?
Please post your Bollard "Accident" stories here:
P.S. Does anyone know the name of the woman that was PARALIZED about a year ago by hitting a bollard?
We really need to get them all removed......for Her!
derrickito
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:15 pm
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i want to borrow your bolt cutters. tonight
ksep
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:26 pm
Joined: 27 Jan 2007Posts: 1879Location: Westlake
And cement, we gotta fill the holes back up with something.
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john
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:24 pm
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get a bucket of quickrete at home depot, it can set pretty quick.
throw pieces of cut up non-weldable rebar into the mixture so they kill their bits when they try to drill it out with their rotohammer.
It can be made so they pretty much have to excavate.
then cover it with jellied ben nye mass casuallty blood and a note saying that if they replace it, the next person who hits it is going to file a civil suit.
And draw an outline of dead aaron laying by the bollard. Just for the giggles of it.
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I know it's a kinda far fetched idea, but I've been trying to avoid solid* objects for most of my life.
*A.K.A. Not the homeless on 2nd Ave.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:13 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
lesse...
if I were aaron i'd take the backfits (what ever that contraption is called) fill it with a bolt cutter, said quickcrete, rebar, gallons of water an exact some revenge on that MI trail.
good thing i'm not aaron
lantius
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:10 pm
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john wrote:
get a bucket of quickrete at home depot, it can set pretty quick.
throw pieces of cut up non-weldable rebar into the mixture so they kill their bits when they try to drill it out with their rotohammer.
It can be made so they pretty much have to excavate.
then cover it with jellied ben nye mass casuallty blood and a note saying that if they replace it, the next person who hits it is going to file a civil suit.
And draw an outline of dead aaron laying by the bollard. Just for the giggles of it.
wow, that's some monkeywrenching skills. the rebar idea is pretty insidious.
joby
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:33 pm
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Why do bollards exist?
lantius
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:46 pm
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joby wrote:
Why do bollards exist?
to keep cars from driving on trails. most motorists can't concieve of an asphalt path not intended for them.
derrickito
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:24 pm
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ok, who's got some bolt cutters i can borrow?
50 bucks for a set im going to use once sucks balls
Aaron
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:42 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
I have 3 foot bolt cutters at my shop. 6 pack deposit required!
Next Thursday is the Bollard Vengence Ride!?
derrickito
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:48 pm
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aaron, if you're going to go to orions tonight, can you bring them along and let me borrow them for a couple days? 6 pack sounds fine.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:21 pm
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joby wrote:
lantius wrote:
joby wrote:
Why do bollards exist?
to keep cars from driving on trails. most motorists can't concieve of an asphalt path not intended for them.
So, uh, do we want cars to drive down the bike path?
So they hit the punji sticks and land mines....
but really... how often are cars going to drive on bike paths...
wait... what am I saying... three weeks ago a labmate came in and explained she had just kept an old lady from taking a right turn... off the burke gilman and onto the skybridge to health sciences... she was very confused why pedestrians were walking in the middle of the road.... I reaaaaaalllllly wish I had seen that.
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I am surprised at how long it took to post that. Can you imagine the damage they would reap in the US if we had them on bike trails and such? I hope they are part of the Downtown traffic revisions though.
Aaron
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:01 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
joby wrote:
lantius wrote:
joby wrote:
Why do bollards exist?
to keep cars from driving on trails. most motorists can't concieve of an asphalt path not intended for them.
So, uh, do we want cars to drive down the bike path?
Bollards DO NOT stop motorists from driving down bike paths. The bollards on the bike (multi-use) paths are not strong enough to stop a car. They are designed to allow emergency vehicles to smash thru them or, in most cases, just drive around. There is usually an opening large enough next to the bollard row to let a car or truck thru. Indeed, that was the case on Mercer Island where I hit one.
I think/feel that bollards have done more harm to vehicles (bicycles) and people (a woman was paralized from the neck down last summer) than the potential damage/death that MAY happen from some drunk idiot driving down a bike trail, that they should be removed. Besides, if they are drunk, and the bollards will not stop them, then WTF? On the BGT, many of the bollards have been removed anyway. Trail crews apparently forgot to put them back. I have seen them stacked up on the side of the trail.
If the city/county/state will not remove them, then their should be warnings stripes or bumps around them. I thought I would never hit one. Boy was I wrong!
Who was I following? It wasn't my fault, it was yours! Just kidding!
Squids I have talked to say they yell out POLL!!!
Needles to say, from now on, when we are riding in a group and you approach a bollard, DO NOT swerve at the last minute! We can learn from Caskade on this one! ride wide of the bollard and do not suddenly pull around one. The rider behind you will impact it. I have heard the story at my shop before and even more now that I am a statistic. Every case was a rider following another and the lead rider suddenly moving aside.
I write this not to lay blame, but in the hopps (mmmm. Beer!) That it won't happen again. The real answer is to remove them.
Would they put Jersy Barriers in the middle of the freeway lanes?!
coupdegrace
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:34 pm
Joined: 01 Nov 2006Posts: 168
Aaron,
David Smith knows the name of the woman who was paralyzed when she hit a bollard. If you don't have contact info for David I can get in touch with David and forward her name to you.
lantius
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:10 am
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btw aaron, as much as i can remember you were in the front when you hit the bollard, just not paying attention.
folks do pretty good at calling out hazards like bollards, potholes, and whatnot when we're out riding, but .83 isn't a squid event and we're certainly not in a paceline. people need to be double plus plus attentive and watch out for hazards - also homeless people, dogs, and errant cars, especially when we've been drinking.
henry
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:59 am
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Bollards don't bug me ... i've got a couple of eyes that come in really useful for avoiding them.
What bugs me is when they pull the bollards out, sometimes it leaves a little 2" tall section of pipe sticking out.
That pisses me off big time.
Also, what's the point of monkey wrenching around for this cause? When someone inevitably runs into a lightpole, will people start cutting down light poles?
Here's a rule to live by: Don't be fucking ridiculous.
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i regularly find myself wishing that i had a wrench big enough to unscrew a light pole. 4 bolts at the bottom.
rlotz
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:14 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 311Location: Capitol Hill
henry wrote:
What bugs me is when they pull the bollards out, sometimes it leaves a little 2" tall section of pipe sticking out.
I'd rather see a bollard in front of me than the hunk of chain and flap of metal that is left in their place. I think the path between Lakeview and Melrose on caphill has a few of those. There's also whatever I ran into on the i90 trail a few weeks ago. Bollards are easy to see, short stubby poles and chain is not.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:41 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
Point that bollards are just for cars is likely only half correct...and as Aaron so eloquently pointed out, most will not stop a car (but work damn good for bikes!!!). These also mark points where car and bikes intersect and likely help slow the bikes to a degree (unless your Aaron, then you fucking stop with crunchy pain).
Bollards on some of the BGT are of a collapsible plastic pole...good ides...others are steel (ow). I'm no fan of them as I wince every time I go between them and occasionally tag one or the other. Those wood ones have reflective strips so at least they TRIED to alert you/us/me, whatever.
Alas, if they bother you, go pull em! At some point the city is gonna get tired of spending money, time, manpower replacing these. Else, be careful out there! I don't know what the other walking wounded played tag with but it was damaging all the way around.
Aaron; You attend these bike meetings and have high friends in places...go have a pow-wow with them, take your battered bike and show them that they need to change their evil ways...or go dig the damn things out.
Me...it's "POLE" all the way!
Aaron
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:50 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
lantius wrote:
btw aaron, as much as i can remember you were in the front when you hit the bollard, just not paying attention.
folks do pretty good at calling out hazards like bollards, potholes, and whatnot when we're out riding, but .83 isn't a squid event and we're certainly not in a paceline. people need to be double plus plus attentive and watch out for hazards - also homeless people, dogs, and errant cars, especially when we've been drinking.
Incorrect.
I was following (not sure who), the swerved at the last minute and I hit it.
Not laying any blame, but don't be so smug Henry and Lee (you too Trevor!) It could happen to you and it could be much worse. I don't wish it on anyone. It hurts!
Bollards are no different than putting a Jersey Barrier in the middle of the street.
This just proves that we are safer on the street. I bet you never will find a story of a runner or roller blader or walker that hits a bollard on a multi-use trail. Would you expect a bollard at each intersection on a bike lane?
I just think bollards do more harm than good.
john
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:46 pm
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derrickito wrote:
i regularly find myself wishing that i had a wrench big enough to unscrew a light pole. 4 bolts at the bottom.
I have a couple if you want to borrow them.
they are about $150 to replace, they are a european adjustable crescent that is about the same quality as Proto or snap on... eh... a little better than snap on
but they will get light poles I think...
2.5" jaw...
I have some box ends that are bogger for adjusting the arch in our basement... I seem to think those are 2".
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Aaron wrote:
This just proves that we are safer on the street. I bet you never will find a story of a runner or roller blader or walker that hits a bollard on a multi-use trail. Would you expect a bollard at each intersection on a bike lane?
This is true.
I was riding back from bellvue two weeks ago and since I am still sick I missed the trail and biked over to mercer island on I90...
I did not hit any bollards.
I did note that it was flatter to go through the tunnels than to go over the park.
and the motorists wer enice... no one honked or anything...
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Aaron wrote:
lantius wrote:
btw aaron, as much as i can remember you were in the front when you hit the bollard, just not paying attention.
folks do pretty good at calling out hazards like bollards, potholes, and whatnot when we're out riding, but .83 isn't a squid event and we're certainly not in a paceline. people need to be double plus plus attentive and watch out for hazards - also homeless people, dogs, and errant cars, especially when we've been drinking.
Incorrect.
I was following (not sure who), the swerved at the last minute and I hit it.
Not laying any blame, but don't be so smug Henry and Lee (you too Trevor!) It could happen to you and it could be much worse. I don't wish it on anyone. It hurts!
Bollards are no different than putting a Jersey Barrier in the middle of the street.
This just proves that we are safer on the street. I bet you never will find a story of a runner or roller blader or walker that hits a bollard on a multi-use trail. Would you expect a bollard at each intersection on a bike lane?
I just think bollards do more harm than good.
I'm not being smug, dinkus! I was right behind ya...coulda easily been me smackin that thing.
Just sayin they are multi-purpose and as bikers we do need to watch the fuck out. We do look out for each other pretty damn well, bollards be damned!
If it's not one thing it another...no matter where ya are.
pete jr
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:50 am
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derrickito wrote:
i regularly find myself wishing that i had a wrench big enough to unscrew a light pole. 4 bolts at the bottom.
Joined: 08 Oct 2006Posts: 337Location: Capitol Hill
i second henry, joby, and riotz. leave the bollards be.
sure, they don't stop cars intent on smashing through them, but they do stop complete fucking morons who don't notice it's a bike trail as well as people who just casually feel like driving on the bike trail but don't want to smash up their car to do so.
i'm not so smug to think i'd never hit one, but i'd rather hit one because i wasn't paying attention than get hit by a car or pop my tire and go flying on the pothole left behind from pulling them out.
p.s. one time i hit a tree because it was planted too near the trail, i think we should cut all the trees down too that are near bike trails. i'm serious!
Joe
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:34 am
Joined: 15 Feb 2007Posts: 430
A less drastic, though also less thrilling, way of calling attention to the bollard problem would be to paint them a bright color--perhaps hot pink in honor of Aaron's bike. Or maybe we could affix giant signs to the top of each one with a downward-pointing arrow. Or just tie some balloons to them. Or hire midgets to stand on top of them and scream "POLE!" at every passing bicyclist.
applesauche
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:34 am
Joined: 08 Oct 2006Posts: 337Location: Capitol Hill
Joe wrote:
A less drastic, though also less thrilling, way of calling attention to the bollard problem would be to paint them a bright color--perhaps hot pink in honor of Aaron's bike. Or maybe we could affix giant signs to the top of each one with a downward-pointing arrow. Or just tie some balloons to them. Or hire midgets to stand on top of them and scream "POLE!" at every passing bicyclist.
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:50 am
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all i'm saying is the world has a shortage of gainfully unemployed midgets.
lantius
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:15 am
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Aaron wrote:
Not laying any blame, but don't be so smug Henry and Lee (you too Trevor!) It could happen to you and it could be much worse. I don't wish it on anyone. It hurts!
i guess it could happen to me. on the other hand, you have a history of running into things when you're not paying attention. remember the dude crossing the street?
i don't think there's any reason to have bollards on the trail. honestly, no trails around here are designed wide enough that a car could really go very fast if they got on them, and stationary cars aren't very dangerous at all. a simple sign with a picture of a car with an x through it should be adequate to keep people from turning onto the street. obviously cars know not to turn onto railroad tracks at least half the time, why can't we get the same education for trails?
chunts
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:31 pm
Joined: 18 May 2007Posts: 85Location: Cappy
Joe wrote:
A less drastic, though also less thrilling, way of calling attention to the bollard problem would be to paint them a bright color--perhaps hot pink in honor of Aaron's bike. Or maybe we could affix giant signs to the top of each one with a downward-pointing arrow. Or just tie some balloons to them. Or hire midgets to stand on top of them and scream "POLE!" at every passing bicyclist.
yeah why not just make them taller? seems like the issue is not being able to see them if there's cyclists or other people in front of you cause they are only 3 feet tall.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:46 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
chunts wrote:
Joe wrote:
A less drastic, though also less thrilling, way of calling attention to the bollard problem would be to paint them a bright color--perhaps hot pink in honor of Aaron's bike. Or maybe we could affix giant signs to the top of each one with a downward-pointing arrow. Or just tie some balloons to them. Or hire midgets to stand on top of them and scream "POLE!" at every passing bicyclist.
yeah why not just make them taller? seems like the issue is not being able to see them if there's cyclists or other people in front of you cause they are only 3 feet tall.
...midgets with flags and flashing light hats! Not even aaron would miss that.
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zanimal
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:12 pm
Joined: 06 Sep 2006Posts: 135Location: West Seattle
I can't tell if these are bollards or just a guard rail...
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