i don't like that at all, that fat bitch with the wicker basket would be in my way even when i'm going slow

Q. How do you keep the peds off of it?
A. You can't the peds are going to cross the path to get to their cars!
Q. Will the cyclists treat the peds any better than motorists treat cyclists?

the Bicyclists enforce this!

i love the word "enforce"

just saying

well, that part actually does self-correct. Scandinavian pedestrians have more respect for bike paths than for roads. the Bicyclists enforce this!

If you want flat, move to Minneapolis. They have a healthy bike culture and a crap load of bike lanes. Don't mess with my hills and long commute, I like 'em.

I like them too. However they don't promote bike commuting by the masses.

alex

BAH, whatever...the "masses" are lazy asses! No wonder why theres a "obesity epidemic". Can you say chili cheeze dog and diet coke?

"obesity epidemic".

Intersections on that setup would be deadly. How do you get into the left part of the lane when you are turning left?

Reducing travel time makes sense, according to civil engineer Troels Andersen, but the psychological effect of not constantly seeing red is even more important.

'If cyclists have to stop at every traffic light, they get fed up and feel unappreciated. In the worst case, they make the switch to cars,'

Motorists, meanwhile, will have to grow used to the sight of cyclists overtaking them in rush hour traffic.

One interesting fact is that bikes and buses have about the same average speed in urban areas (bus=12-13mph, bike=15.5mph). What that means in Seattle is that any street timed for buses is more or less timed for bikes too -- so if you kick back with a leisurely pace on 3rd downtown in rush hour you can surf a wave of green lights.

I can verify this. I ride too fast for bus-timed signals, and am always catching reds!

Cycle Tracks in the news!

OK, why should we go to all this trouble — and years of reconstruction, and unquestionable expense? When all you have to do is learn how to ride your bike on the road with other traffic as another vehicle on the road. The fucking bike pussies are going to fuck it up for everyone because eventually if and when all this crap is built you won't be allowed to ride your bike on the road - like in Portland.

also, where can't you ride your bike in the street in pdx? I've done it as recently as a week ago.

well the number one reason I hear from people that they don't bike in the city is that they are afraid of traffic. If you want to overcome that, you're going to have to do something...
personally, if there's enough people biking that the lanes are all jammed up, I'd call that a success...

but it seems like a catch 22 creating facilities to promote cycling at great expense that if/when they are successful they will suffer from congestion too! And then will have to be torn-up and made bigger if possible at additional great expense and inconvienence.

My point is simply this that cycling education that teaches people how to ride a bike and co-exist safely with other vehicles and alleviates their fears of riding on our roads would cost far less to initiate and implement than years of construction. If rider education where included in the driver education that is necessary to obtain a license to drive a motor-vehicle it would also provide much needed education to drivers of motor-vehicles on how to safely co-exist with cyclists, addressing the problems of fear, safety and access from both ends of the solution.

True cultural change with regard to our transportation choices and habits will only happen when these things are taught to our children in Physical Education at school.