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stinkbug
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:57 am Reply with quote
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Gee, thanks a lot, private developers....

"The Burke-Gilman Trail will stay closed along the Ship Canal through Fremont until summer 2008, the Seattle Department of Transportation announced Friday.

The city closed the trail through Fremont to replace the approach to the Fremont Bridge and soon will complete most of the construction along the trail.

Officials had planned to reopen the trail section over the next few weeks, but a private developer along the Ship Canal between Stone Way North and Phinney Avenue North has started construction work on the Lakeview Building and requested the trail remain closed until summer 2008 for safety reasons."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/323613_bridge14.html
http://www.seattle.gov/news/detail.asp?ID=7523&Dept=19


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langston
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:08 am Reply with quote
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motherfuckers. I love how Private Interests trump Public Interests every time.
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derrickito
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:10 am Reply with quote
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whiskey tango foxtrot?
a year because a private developer wants to build something to sell and make himself richy rich?

seems to me that the developer should be working around city infrastructure during his construction, not closing something down. working on the bridge i can understand, but a developer? that's cheeseball

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rlotz
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If the city allows them to keep the burke closed they should charge a hefty daily fee and funnel that money directly into other bicycle improvements. I'm sure the developer will build a nice shoddy but colorful condo and then charge an extra 10% because of its great burke gillman access.
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stinkbug
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:29 am Reply with quote
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I'm not entirely certain, but I believe the building under development is not a condo but an office building. And I think it's the building that google will be moving a bunch of people into over the next year.
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langston
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:37 am Reply with quote
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stinkbug wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but I believe the building under development is not a condo but an office building. And I think it's the building that google will be moving a bunch of people into over the next year.


seconded. This site is where we had the beer-fest last summer
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ksep
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:18 pm Reply with quote
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On the plus side, the trail detour puts more cyclists on the road. Hopefully this helps them to adapt to riding in traffic. At the very least it makes cycling more visible to the public at large. It's cool to see a bunch of cyclists backed up infront of the PCC headed east at the light.

But I second the comment about charging the developer a large fee for the privilege of blocking the use of a public facility. I know builders have to get permits for those big dumpsters they put on city streets, etc.

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Oldmesenger82
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:55 am Reply with quote
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But I second the comment about charging the developer a large fee for the privilege of blocking the use of a public facility. I know builders have to get permits for those big dumpsters they put on city streets, etc.

I third that motion! If it was a street they wouldn't get away with it. Maybe PCC wants if closed to bring more people by the store.
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derrickito
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:24 am Reply with quote
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just saw some good info on cascade. imagine that!

apparently that section of the trail is an easement, with the developer reserving the right to close that section for development when needed

http://cascade.org/Community/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=8029
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bobhall
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:41 am Reply with quote
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stinkbug wrote:
I'm not entirely certain, but I believe the building under development is not a condo but an office building. And I think it's the building that google will be moving a bunch of people into over the next year.


Well, there comes a time when the new cool company turns into the huge bastard company, so let me be the first to say it: Death to Google! I hereby place a Jihad on their fancy new orifices, I mean offices.
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mcrawfor
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agreed. I sent an email about it to the contact person who made the announcement and they sent back some info about that.

So, cheers for the fremot developer allowing the trail to go on their property. Boo for it remaining closed for longer.

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the dreaded ben
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:29 am Reply with quote
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simple solution, when it gets done and has it's grand opening we chain off their parking lot, and maybe the front door.

repeatedly.

with a big fucking chain.
that's been pissed on.
by a dirty hobo.
with syphilis.
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bobhall
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:36 am Reply with quote
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the dreaded ben wrote:
simple solution, when it gets done and has it's grand opening we chain off their parking lot, and maybe the front door.

repeatedly.

with a big fucking chain.
that's been pissed on.
by a dirty hobo.
with syphilis.


You have syphilis?
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:39 am Reply with quote
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actually, i was thinking derrick.
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derrickito
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:47 am Reply with quote
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the antibiotics are helping!
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gsbarnes
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:55 am Reply with quote
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[Also posted on the Cascade forums]

In my opinion, there is a gap in Seattle bike advocacy that needs to be filled. We've got groups like Cascade who are willing to be the reasonable party, filing lawsuits, writing letters to the editor and the mayor, etc. But what we really need is the direct action group.

Critical Mass is sort of a direct action group, but they don't respond quickly enough, because they are (deliberately) unorganized. As soon as we started hearing about the backtrack on Stone Way, or the extra year of closure of the Burke, someone should have been organizing something. If it were me (and no, I'm not volunteering), I'd pick a Friday 4:30-5:30, plus a weekend day, say 1-2pm. Then look for 100 volunteers to continually ride a loop in Fremont. Say, north on the bridge, up Fremont Ave to Fremont Way, under Aurora, up Bridge, down Stone to 34th, across the bridge, then loop around and start over.

Everyone obeys the law. No more than 2 abreast. Take the lane. Go as slow as is reasonable. The object is to let people know bikes are in Fremont, and they're not happy. Everyone has a sign on their bike: "Mayor Nickels Greenhouse Gas Plan: More cars, fewer bikes." "Suzie Burke's plan for Fremont: close the Burke-Gilman for another year." etc. I don't care if they're 100% accurate. This is the unreasonable crowd. Include a URL or phone number, or both on the signs.

Same thing for Lake Forest Park. There should be mini-masses going up and down Bothell Way every Wednesday rush hour until they come to their senses: "Lake Forest Park City Council wants to close the Burke-Gilman Trail and move all bike traffic to Bothell Way".

You can probably think of other variants: ride back and forth on the roads the construction traffic will be using to access the Fremont Burke-Gilman site. Do the same thing in cars with a sign: "One more car for Suzie Burke." "Mayor Nickels' Bike Master Plan: trade my bike for this car". etc. The point is we need 'unreasonable' people (the demonstrators) to drive groups like the Fremont Neighborhood Association and the Mayor to talk to the 'reasonable' people (Cascade, etc.). As soon as a neighborhood like Fremont hears about plans like Ms. Burke's, they should realize that this is going to bring down some direct action on them, unless they do something quick.

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Joe
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:07 am Reply with quote
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gsbarnes wrote:
[Also posted on the Cascade forums]

In my opinion, there is a gap in Seattle bike advocacy that needs to be filled. We've got groups like Cascade who are willing to be the reasonable party, filing lawsuits, writing letters to the editor and the mayor, etc. But what we really need is the direct action group.

Critical Mass is sort of a direct action group, but they don't respond quickly enough, because they are (deliberately) unorganized. As soon as we started hearing about the backtrack on Stone Way, or the extra year of closure of the Burke, someone should have been organizing something. If it were me (and no, I'm not volunteering), I'd pick a Friday 4:30-5:30, plus a weekend day, say 1-2pm. Then look for 100 volunteers to continually ride a loop in Fremont. Say, north on the bridge, up Fremont Ave to Fremont Way, under Aurora, up Bridge, down Stone to 34th, across the bridge, then loop around and start over.

Everyone obeys the law. No more than 2 abreast. Take the lane. Go as slow as is reasonable. The object is to let people know bikes are in Fremont, and they're not happy. Everyone has a sign on their bike: "Mayor Nickels Greenhouse Gas Plan: More cars, fewer bikes." "Suzie Burke's plan for Fremont: close the Burke-Gilman for another year." etc. I don't care if they're 100% accurate. This is the unreasonable crowd. Include a URL or phone number, or both on the signs.

Same thing for Lake Forest Park. There should be mini-masses going up and down Bothell Way every Wednesday rush hour until they come to their senses: "Lake Forest Park City Council wants to close the Burke-Gilman Trail and move all bike traffic to Bothell Way".

You can probably think of other variants: ride back and forth on the roads the construction traffic will be using to access the Fremont Burke-Gilman site. Do the same thing in cars with a sign: "One more car for Suzie Burke." "Mayor Nickels' Bike Master Plan: trade my bike for this car". etc. The point is we need 'unreasonable' people (the demonstrators) to drive groups like the Fremont Neighborhood Association and the Mayor to talk to the 'reasonable' people (Cascade, etc.). As soon as a neighborhood like Fremont hears about plans like Ms. Burke's, they should realize that this is going to bring down some direct action on them, unless they do something quick.


I think this is right on, Greg, especially because it looks like its one lone jerk who's responsible for both the trail closure and the nixing of the SW bike lane: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=267463.

This aggression will not stand, man!
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laura
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:27 am Reply with quote
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i am in, in, in, in, IN for this kind of approach.

so, we got an organizer?
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Eric_s
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why not take CM up stone way, around 45th, and down say roosevelt?
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gsbarnes
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Eric_s wrote:
why not take CM up stone way, around 45th, and down say roosevelt?


There's nothing wrong with adding in CM when it rides, or, hell, Cascade rides or yarn rides or whatever. But I'm saying there needs to be a group that's willing to act quickly, deliberately, and repeatedly where the need arises.

Also, as a matter of tactics, I think it's easier for a small group of bikes to gum up the works by deliberately obeying the laws, instead of taking multiple lanes and ignoring lights and laws, as CM tends to do. Maybe you can get a few hundred folks to volunteer to repeatedly ride loops in Fremont or wherever, but I'm guessing most of the time you'll be happy to get 50.

Finally, I think you'd need to be deliberate and focused. The choke points in Fremont need to be hit repeatedly: Fremont Ave, the Bridge, Stone Way. Likewise for Lake Forest Park: Bothell Way (and Ballinger, but that may be too dangerous). Going to Roosevelt doesn't hit Fremont (and Suzie Burke) where it hurts.

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ksep
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Eric_s wrote:
why not take CM up stone way, around 45th, and down say roosevelt?


word. if just a few coordinated .83 folks get in the lead we can steer 'er.

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langston
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gsbarnes wrote:


There's nothing wrong with adding in CM when it rides, or, hell, Cascade rides or yarn rides or whatever. But I'm saying there needs to be a group that's willing to act quickly, deliberately, and repeatedly where the need arises.


So let's say some sort of shadowy underground advocacy group gets sick of the political process all together. If some of the leading advocates of Bad Ideas (Fucking Suzy Burke, et al) get a hand delivered fertilizer bomb to their carport and those struggling failing-business model Industrial buildings get a few Molotovs on their asphalt roofs... Would the opposition wither up and blow away? I'm not talking sitting in trees or blockading whaling ships, I'm talking about taking out the actual decision makers, gang-land style.
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gsbarnes wrote:


Finally, I think you'd need to be deliberate and focused. The choke points in Fremont need to be hit repeatedly: Fremont Ave, the Bridge, Stone Way. Likewise for Lake Forest Park: Bothell Way (and Ballinger, but that may be too dangerous). Going to Roosevelt doesn't hit Fremont (and Suzie Burke) where it hurts.


Well, I personally would like to use the existing biker infrastructure. maybe we could make a ride, posted all over the place, where we go to Fremont and take lanes, lock up all over her buildings, leave leaflets, and then move on to the next one. If we're gonna do direct action, the one and only way to do that is by letting her tenants know what and who and why bikers are upset, and why they're not getting any money from bikers.

Otherwise, a little agitating on the city, and a little constructive traffic blocking might be fun.
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Eric_s
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langston wrote:
decision makers, gang-land style.


Jebus, you watch too many movies!
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langston
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Eric_s wrote:
langston wrote:
decision makers, gang-land style.


Jebus, you watch too many movies!


The Godfather trilogy was on AMC all this week, guilty as charged. It's not that I watch too much television as much as it is I'm fed up and disgusted with our saccharine options of "process". Maybe I've just sat through too many committee meetings to have any faith in their ability to get shit done. The Seattle Way makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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laura wrote:
i am in, in, in, in, IN for this kind of approach.

so, we got an organizer?


I am also in.
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laura
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Wait - is our Seattle Times friend interested in a bit more than just the midnight race? Can we get slide in more viewpoints on both the Burke closure and Stone Way disappearing bike lane? Let's go mafia-style, let's go CM, let's go two-by-two legal with signs, and let's go press. If one or all of them work, then we get our lane and the damn trail back and can get back to boozing.
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laura wrote:
Wait - is our Seattle Times friend interested in a bit more than just the midnight race? Can we get slide in more viewpoints on both the Burke closure and Stone Way disappearing bike lane? Let's go mafia-style, let's go CM, let's go two-by-two legal with signs, and let's go press. If one or all of them work, then we get our lane and the damn trail back and can get back to boozing.


The woman speaks truth. Tell me when and where to make signs and ride with them, and I will be there.
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MyNameIsJeff wrote:
laura wrote:
i am in, in, in, in, IN for this kind of approach.

so, we got an organizer?


I am also in.


TWO people down, about 48 more to go.

In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack - the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle - you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?
- Sun Tzu


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langston
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surlykat wrote:

The woman speaks truth. Tell me when and where to make signs and ride with them, and I will be there.


I'm down to help make fliers & signs. CM needs an informational hand-out about who we are and why we're f'ing up traffic and doing a few laps through Fremont with big signs & fliers to local businesses would do much to get our voice of discontent out. Small Businesses will whine that we're punishing them for their landlord's decision, but they have a responsibility to their neighborhood and a credible loud voice in the argument.

What has worked well historically in making infrastructure demands heard is the good ol' BOYCOTT.
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Joe
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langston wrote:


So let's say some sort of shadowy underground advocacy group gets sick of the political process all together. If some of the leading advocates of Bad Ideas (Fucking Suzy Burke, et al) get a hand delivered fertilizer bomb to their carport and those struggling failing-business model Industrial buildings get a few Molotovs on their asphalt roofs... Would the opposition wither up and blow away? I'm not talking sitting in trees or blockading whaling ships, I'm talking about taking out the actual decision makers, gang-land style.


Langston, we know you're impotent and that makes you mad, but please stop projecting your frustrations onto the efforts of others!

kthx!
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Joe
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I'm down for helping make flyers and for riding in this thing.
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langston
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Joe wrote:


Langston, we know you're impotent and that makes you mad, but please stop projecting your frustrations onto the efforts of others!

kthx!


disenfranchisement is a bitch, it's true. You know I'm going to end up as some rambling toothless hippie/hermit squatting in National Forest land, sending in handwritten manifests to the local paper, one day.
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langston wrote:
Joe wrote:


Langston, we know you're impotent and that makes you mad, but please stop projecting your frustrations onto the efforts of others!

kthx!


disenfranchisement is a bitch, it's true. You know I'm going to end up as some rambling toothless hippie/hermit squatting in National Forest land, sending in handwritten manifests to the local paper, one day.


I wasn't talking about politics, but okay.
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langston wrote:
Joe wrote:


Langston, we know you're impotent and that makes you mad, but please stop projecting your frustrations onto the efforts of others!

kthx!


disenfranchisement is a bitch, it's true. You know I'm going to end up as some rambling toothless hippie/hermit squatting in National Forest land, sending in handwritten manifests to the local paper, one day.


I wasn't talking about political impotence, but okay.
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im in

especially the north end loop as i travel that 2x daily (and i didnt even know something was gonna change...fucking LFP shit garglers)

I like the idea of and organized ride dates and times, following the existing road use rules (gag), and the use of signage and LBS's to advertise this group of events.

I dont think doing it with CM will prove to be effective in the long run and is, as mentioned, counter-MO to what CM stands for.

Sure, get fliers out there so people know WFT is going on, when and where...maybe even roll CM thru those areas (i'd love to see CM go north...what a cluster fuck THAT would be), but to make the point that the city/counsel is exacerbating the issue...within the current laws of assembly...would have a greater message/impact.

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hey trev, what do you think? ;)

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henry wrote:
hey trev, what do you think? ;)


you dont care what i think

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