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cs
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:43 pm Reply with quote
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i don't know how many of you have read _the monkey wrench gang_, but i thought this essay is easily related to CM.

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Put Down that Monkey Wrench!

By Ernest Partridge
University of California, Riverside
www.igc.org/gadfly // gadfly@igc.org

I could see the tracks of [the survey crew’s jeep] quite plainly in the sand and the route was well marked, not only by the tracks but by the survey stakes planted in the ground at regular fifty-foot intervals and by streamers of plastic ribbon tied to the brush and trees.

Teamwork, that’s what made America what it is today. Teamwork and initiative. The survey crew had done their job; I would do mine. For about five miles I followed the course of their survey back toward headquarters, and as I went I pulled up each little wooden stake and threw it away... A futile effort, in the long run, but it made me feel good. Then I went home to the trailer, taking a shortcut over the bluffs.

Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire



When in 1975 my late friend Ed Abbey published his novel, "The Monkey Wrench Gang," I immediately bought a copy and read it.

It was a hoot!

I could identify with the book, since I was familiar, personally or by reputation, with many of the individuals whose identities were thinly disguised in the novel. And most importantly, like the author, I knew and loved the southern Utah landscape in behalf of which the "gang" – Doc Sarvis, Bonnie Abbzug, G. W. Hayduke and Seldom Seen Smith – were carrying out their mayhem.

When I put down the book, I resumed my environmental activism – all within the confines of the law. Similarly, to the best of my knowledge, Ed Abbey had the good sense to realize that "in the long run," ecotage was "a futile effort." Except for his prank of pulling out the surveyor’s stakes for the proposed road in "Arches National Money-mint," Abbey employed no weapon against industrial "development" more powerful than his typewriter. But what a potent weapon it was!



Some individuals, it seems, have taken Abbey’s suggestion far more seriously. In his recent (June, 2000) Atlantic Monthly article, "Harvard and the Making of the Unabomber," Alston Chase quotes the following from the Portland Oregonian:

"During the past four years alone, the West has been rocked by 33 substantial incidents, with damages reaching $28.8 million. [And although] these crimes started nearly two decades ago – some seem clearly inspired by Edward Abbey’s 1975 novel, The Monkey Wrench Gang – they have escalated dangerously, sometimes with the use of bombs, in the last six years." (No citation – just, "reported last fall").

And in an article this month (June 11) in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Michael Sokolove reports the torching of a nearly completed private luxury home near Bloomington, Indiana, by the "Earth Liberation Front" (ELF). Near the ruins of the home was found a spray-painted sign: "No Sprawl. ELF." Later ELF released the following statement:

The Earth Liberation Front would like to take credit for a late-night visit to the Sterling Woods Development... The house was targeted because the sprawling development . . . is in the Lake Monroe watershed. This is the drinking water supply for the town of Bloomington, Indiana, and the surrounding area. It is already being jeopardized by existing development and roads. Once again the rich of the world are destroying what little we have left in terms of natural areas and collective holdings (the water). Hopefully they will get the message that we will not take it anymore.

Never mind that the proposed housing development had undergone several public hearings and an environmental review, satisfying the concerns of local environmentalists. As a capper, Lake Monroe, the "natural area" that ELF was so concerned to protect, was an artificial impoundment.

Nor were the lives of the firemen or of the residents of the adjacent homes of concern to ELF, which has adopted the motto of Earth First!: "No compromise in the defense of the Earth."

The owner of the destroyed home, Vince Scott, resolved to build another at the same site. It is scheduled for completion by Thanksgiving. Thus twice the amount of lumber and other resources will be used in the construction of the Scott home than would have been required had ELF not made their "uncompromising defense of the Earth."

The destruction of the Vince Scott’s home, along with other ELF "actions" such as the $12 million arson at the Vail Ski Resort in 1998, is not "civil disobedience" in the tradition of Thoreau, Gandhi and King. First of all, it is clearly not "non-violent." And furthermore, unlike Thoreau, Gandhi and King, the perpetrators did not submit themselves to the punishment of the law. No, ELF’s tactics are less in the tradition of King at Selma, than of McVeigh at Oklahoma City. Among environmentalists, the former, non-violent, tradition is honorably represented by Julia (Butterfly) Hill who established a "home" for a year, in the branches of a threatened redwood tree, or by Mark DuBois, who chained himself to a rock along the Stanislaus River, thus delaying the impoundment behind the New Melones Dam.

At this point, we might open up a long, complicated and technical discussion of such deep philosophical issues as the "moral considerability" of natural objects and landscapes, or the libertarian claim of the inviolability of property rights, or in opposition thereto, the allegedly over-riding "defenses of necessity" as articulated in the Earth First! Maxim, "no compromise in the defense of the Earth."

Happily, in this case, we can side-step all that, for the plain and simple reason that the ELF tactics "in defense of the Earth" succeed in "defending" nothing whatever, except, perhaps, the sense of self-importance and self-righteousness of the perpetrators. Still worse, these tactics are counter-productive, for they supply rhetorical and political ammunition for the counterattacks of the "brownlashers" – the corporate-political-ideological opponents to environmental protection and reform.

Accordingly, the question of whether the "advantages" of eco-terrorism outweigh the costs in property and personal safety is moot. There are no "advantages" to be gained by such tactics, only costs -- and significantly, costs to the cause of "defending the Earth." "Violence for the Hell of it," will not save the Earth. Still worse, it will disarm those non-violent "mainstream" environmental forces which offer the best hope for the defense of the Earth.

Violent acts of eco-sabotage, such as the burning of the home of the randomly selected and innocent Scott family, are acts of blind rage. They are "blind" in that, in Kierkegaard’s words, they "tear out the eyes of the Reason." As a few moments of quite and sober reflection should make clear, the occasional torching of private homes will not end suburban sprawl, nor will the destruction of Vail ski lifts and lodges close down the skiing industry. Instead, such acts will turn the law against the perpetrators, and cast the suspicious eyes of the public upon "moderate" environmentalists who share the concerns of the eco-terrorists while they deplore the methods.

"Reason be damned, we have a world to save!," is a war-cry that is fated to fail, and furthermore is likely to destroy in its downfall, much that is of human and natural value. "Practical reason" implies the deliberative and informed devising of means to ends – of tactics and strategy, without which no battle or war or political campaign, worthy or otherwise, was ever won.

When the environmentalists combine their passion for the Earth with practical reason, employing both scientific knowledge and political savvy, and winning widespread public support, they win. However one may lament the development of such areas as Vail Colorado and the loss of Glen Canyon, we must remind ourselves that informed and well-coordinated citizen action kept the ski lifts and lodges out of Mineral King valley, and the dams out of the Grand Canyon. In fact, today federal and state governments are actually taking out dams and restoring wild rivers.

Finally, the radicals who cast reason and science aside in "defense of the Earth," discard their most effective weapon. For it is science which has most vividly portrayed the devastation that humanity has wrought on its home planet, and has most effectively indicated the grave implications of continuing down this road. Scientists such as Barry Commoner and Rachel Carson alerted us to the perils of radioactive and chemical contamination of the biosphere, and it was the weight of their evidence that captured our attention and concern. Today, it is the scientists who, at great public cost and investment, are measuring the loss of biodiversity and the anthropogenic alterations of the atmosphere, and it is the scientists who are projecting and publishing startling projections of these changes. (See our "On Behalf of Science," "Why be Reasonable?," and other pages in "No Mo Po Mo" – this site).

Blind rage and "ecotage" are not the way out of the present and the impending emergencies. Instead, the public must first reclaim its government from private and corporate interests. Educators must then restore scientific awareness and capacities of critical thinking to the youth. And informed citizens, in coordinated activity and through the use of open media and democratic institutions, must demand and bring about appropriate government action.

In short, an informed public must act deliberately, rationally and collectively in defense of the Earth. The tactics of the Earth Liberation Front can only provoke an angry public to turn on those who, through terroristic sabotage of property and endangerment of life, appoint themselves as "uncompromising defenders of the Earth." As a result, both democratic institutions and the Earth will be lost to humanity.

Copyright 2000 by Ernest Partridge


http://gadfly.igc.org/eds/envt/monkeywrench.htm
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elriche
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:58 pm Reply with quote
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I guess this means you're not going next month?

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cs
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:11 pm Reply with quote
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i'll be there. i don't think CM is blind rage - although it think its characterized as that sometimes. i don't think it's without purpose.

what i think this article points out, at least for myself, is that critical mass should not be about rage towards cars - but instead about investing in ourselves and our movement. i love blocking cars and i have a lot of hate for cagers. but - i don't think its productive - generally. i do think its fun.

i think what i see missing in sea CM is a willingness to take the energy put into CM and translate that into the political process. i think sometimes the SPD's hands-off (for the most part) policy with sea CM plays well for the car folks. we keep riding, blocking sometimes - but otherwise there's no conflict to bind us together to create progress in the system in an everyday sense.

what i see in other cities is a subset of CM riders who know the number to the city council and mayor's office and who will call or write in with their grievances.

i feel like seattle is falling farther and farther behind other cities in its livability in regards to cycling. its a hard city to cycle in - and i'm not a huge fan of bike lanes - however as was pointed out in a recent discussion on the seattle PI's website, we have about a tenth of the bike lanes as PDX - and that's just the quantitative sense. riding in PDX, and it was a holiday i admit, was wonderful and relaxing and enjoyable - something that's stupid hard to come about in SEA - and that's one of the reasons that i enjoy about CM is that you can for once chill while you're riding and take your eyes off the road and actually look around and enjoy yourself a little more.

now i'm not saying this is what you think or that if you're not an active in pushing for biking rights that you're not getting it. CM is whatever it is for whoever rides it. but if someone has an issue they want to work on let me know. i know the city-wide bike plan is coming up soon (to be finished in 2006 i think) and that's the next thing i'm going to look into.

but back to the article - i don't think voting and in-system is where all change is created - change is created in public spaces - wherever you can get to peoples minds. what i find more useful about the article is the comparison between reason/logic and how one persuades others.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:00 am Reply with quote
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I've heard similar opinions from others but hands on guidance would probably destroy the appeal of the movement. I think the most important thing any of us can do is provide a good example of attitude and conduct for the group.

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Jv
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:40 pm Reply with quote
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This opinion of Mass is almost exactly what the hand-outs we were handing out last month were about. If we could have put that whole essay and it's corresponding responses on a flyer and made people read the whole thing, we would have. I agree completly about the fact that Mass isn't about blind rage, but it is being taken as such by drivers.
Sure it is really fun to ride down the street and finaly get our revenge against the cars and cork them and make them wait and frustrate them, but it is counter productive.
So pretty much, I think Mass is a great idea, but we need to change the manner in which it happens, make it more festive (see the post about CM in San Fransisco) and less confrontational.

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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:03 pm Reply with quote
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I agree, as noted in my previous posts in the B-more and SF Mass posts, I missed last months CM, but making it more festive is key. Lets make September's all about the SPECTACLE, make it a parade, make it fun, and positive. Let's make it super fresh! Audacious costumes this month, is everyone game?
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damn right. costumes are in due effect.

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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:17 pm Reply with quote
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Jv wrote:
This opinion of Mass is almost exactly what the hand-outs we were handing out last month were about. If we could have put that whole essay and it's corresponding responses on a flyer and made people read the whole thing, we would have. I agree completly about the fact that Mass isn't about blind rage, but it is being taken as such by drivers.
Sure it is really fun to ride down the street and finaly get our revenge against the cars and cork them and make them wait and frustrate them, but it is counter productive.
So pretty much, I think Mass is a great idea, but we need to change the manner in which it happens, make it more festive (see the post about CM in San Fransisco) and less confrontational.


Those hand-outs sucked.

To paraphrase: "how you ride on your own is your business, but here at critical mass, you should do what we say".

Bite me.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:26 pm Reply with quote
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joby wrote:
Jv wrote:
This opinion of Mass is almost exactly what the hand-outs we were handing out last month were about. If we could have put that whole essay and it's corresal.


Those hand-outs sucked.

To paraphrase: "how you ride on your own is your business, but here at critical mass, you should do what we say".

Bite me.



I concurr. I hoped so hard when I was handed one of those that it wasn't from someone in our group, that perhaps I just wasn't recognizing in person.
It's okay, some of my best friends drive cars!

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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:46 pm Reply with quote
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joby wrote:
Jv wrote:
This opinion of Mass is almost exactly what the hand-outs we were handing out last month were about. If we could have put that whole essay and it's corresponding responses on a flyer and made people read the whole thing, we would have. I agree completly about the fact that Mass isn't about blind rage, but it is being taken as such by drivers.
Sure it is really fun to ride down the street and finaly get our revenge against the cars and cork them and make them wait and frustrate them, but it is counter productive.
So pretty much, I think Mass is a great idea, but we need to change the manner in which it happens, make it more festive (see the post about CM in San Fransisco) and less confrontational.


Those hand-outs sucked.

To paraphrase: "how you ride on your own is your business, but here at critical mass, you should do what we say".

Bite me.


Who the hell passed those out? That's fairly counter-productive I'd say. Stupid.
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God, I love that saying.
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dennyt
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I didn't get a handout. Anybody have the text anywhere online?
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dennyt wrote:
I didn't get a handout. Anybody have the text anywhere online?


Here is the text. It was handed to me by one of the regulars who's usually up front. I didn't think it was a bad idea since it echos a common sentiment. but yeh, it does seem a little odd "We do not speak for Critical Mass, but..."

"FELLOW MASSERS
We do not speak for Critical Mass, but we feel that we share the consensus of the majority of its loyal attendants, when we urge you, fellow cyclist, to be a courteous rider during this, our demonstration. Critical Mass is a unified effort to raise cycling awareness, to recruit new riders, and to encourage motorists to "share the road". Sharing the road applies to cyclists, as well. However you ride on your own is your business. Please, for the duration of this ride, be courteous to motorists, even in the face of confrontation. Leave a lane open for cars to pass. Smile back at angry faces. Encourage those around you to do the same. We are many, but the success of this demonstration rests on each individual rider. There is strength in numbers, yes, and it is tempting to exploit and abuse that strength. But, with great power comes great responsibility. Spiderman said that. You don't want to piss off Spiderman, do you?
-Thank you"

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That flyer actually made me want to be a huge jerk to every car I went by. Who the crap does someone think they are to tell me how to ride my bike?
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joby wrote:
To paraphrase: "how you ride on your own is your business, but here at critical mass, you should do what we say".

Bite me.
kingpenguin wrote:
That flyer actually made me want to be a huge jerk to every car I went by. Who the crap does someone think they are to tell me how to ride my bike?

and that right there is the problem with not just critical mass, but the i would suggest the supremely individualistic western mindset. "where does someone else get off saying anything to me about my behavior/beliefs?". did it occur to you that there is a slightly larger thing going on? communities of any size or duration can and will automatically enact some amount of expectations on the members, even so minimal as to be almost transparent. think critical mass has never placed any expectations/restrictions on you? try showing up in the suburban and see how welcomed you are by the community.
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How can we expect to change the minds of people in cars if we can't even convince members of the cycling community to work towards a common goal?

I stopped doing CM 5 years ago because it was more about anarchy than bicycle advocacy. I've been to the last two rides and it's been much more civil and less confrontational, mostly due to the larger size.

I think we're on the verge of making a very good impact with the CM rides, especially if the size continues to grow, and if the mass continues to be an awesome, positive spectacle. Costumes, smiles, turning every few blocks, leaving a lane open for cars sometimes, letting busses through.

I mean, if you want to fuck with drivers, skitch cars, whatever, playing in traffic on your own is a way better outlet for that. Of course you're more likely to actually get run over when there aren't 100 riders around you, but that won't happen cuz you're so fast. But if you ride like a jerk in mass, you're subverting the goals of 80 of those 100 riders around you want to gain respect and awareness from car people, not enrage them.

At least, that's how I see it.
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so there are pre cm meetings anyone else want to go?
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lantius wrote:

and that right there is the problem with not just critical mass, but the i would suggest the supremely individualistic western mindset. "where does someone else get off saying anything to me about my behavior/beliefs?". did it occur to you that there is a slightly larger thing going on? communities of any size or duration can and will automatically enact some amount of expectations on the members, even so minimal as to be almost transparent. think critical mass has never placed any expectations/restrictions on you? try showing up in the suburban and see how welcomed you are by the community.


There is nothing wrong with an individualistic mindset. And expectations or no, that doesn't mean you have to follow suit just because someone told you too.
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Yeah, anyone know the details on those meetings? The horrible barrier of creating an account has kept me from reading the seattle cm message board.
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i set up the critical mass meetings usually

im going to schedule one for a week or so before mass, havent picked a time and date yet. i will let everyone know via the CM mailing list, and ill also post it here
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kingpenguin wrote:
There is nothing wrong with an individualistic mindset. And expectations or no, that doesn't mean you have to follow suit just because someone told you too.

i contend that there is absolutely something wrong with a rabidly individualistic mindset. i don't want to suggest that conformism is necessary, but this idea of absolute rejection of conformism for it's own sake and independence is a total crock. there is an important tension within community between individuals, and both excessive conformity or individualism are harmful.

we live in communities, constantly surrounded by people and interacting with them, and for the most part we function within them. there are examples of those who are unable to do so - sociopaths - or choose not to - hermits. for the rest of us, pretending like we are 'self made individuals' seems simply delusional. to behave in a contrary fashion just to 'prove my independence' is normal human behavior, yes, but not entirely helpful.

that said, i agree that you don't have to follow suit just because someone told you to, and i'm not the boss of you, etc, etc, i'm not even your real dad. i still don't think it is unreasonable to make requests of other people in a social, communal setting. it's not as if social norms are particularly enforceable without the will of the people behind it anyhow.
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i, however, AM dean's real dad, and as such, will tell him to do whatever the heck i feel like.

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lantius wrote:
i contend that there is absolutely something wrong with a rabidly individualistic mindset. i don't want to suggest that conformism is necessary, but this idea of absolute rejection of conformism for it's own sake and independence is a total crock. there is an important tension within community between individuals, and both excessive conformity or individualism are harmful.

we live in communities, constantly surrounded by people and interacting with them, and for the most part we function within them. there are examples of those who are unable to do so - sociopaths - or choose not to - hermits. for the rest of us, pretending like we are 'self made individuals' seems simply delusional. to behave in a contrary fashion just to 'prove my independence' is normal human behavior, yes, but not entirely helpful.

that said, i agree that you don't have to follow suit just because someone told you to, and i'm not the boss of you, etc, etc, i'm not even your real dad. i still don't think it is unreasonable to make requests of other people in a social, communal setting. it's not as if social norms are particularly enforceable without the will of the people behind it anyhow.


Well said!

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lantius wrote:

i contend that there is absolutely something wrong with a rabidly individualistic mindset. i don't want to suggest that conformism is necessary, but this idea blah blah words and more words to make requests of other people in a social, communal setting. it's not as if social norms are particularly enforceable without the will of the people behind it anyhow.


Who's rabid? No one wanted to absolutely reject conformism for it's own sake and Independence, where'd you grab that one from?

What I saw was a small group of 3 or 4 people that I have never seen before trying to tell a huge group of people what to do. Say, if Davis or Derrik or anyone else who does their part to try and lead the group, cork cars, or whatever, were the ones passing out the hand bills, maybe I would have looked at it differently, but the kids I saw handing them out I have never even seen on a mass before.. not that they really were n00bs, but people who do nothing but ride along and then complain about it.
Maybe these hand bills were thier effort to 'step up to the plate' or whatever, but I think they skipped a few steps if they actually expected regulars to take them seriously.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, I'm just saying that when some 13 year old kid I've never seen before hands me a hand bill starting off with "We don't speak for CM" and then going on to speak for CM, and telling me to be nice do a driver even if he starts swearing and swerving at me, of course I'm going to disregard it.


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Torch wrote:
i, however, AM dean's real dad, and as such, will tell him to do whatever the heck i feel like.



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kingpenguin wrote:
Torch wrote:
i, however, AM dean's real dad, and as such, will tell him to do whatever the heck i feel like.



you wish you knew my momma


true dat.

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kingpenguin wrote:
What I saw was a small group of 3 or 4 people that I have never seen before trying to tell a huge group of people what to do. Say, if Davis or Derrik or anyone else who does their part to try and lead the group, cork cars, or whatever, were the ones passing out the hand bills, maybe I would have looked at it differently, but the kids I saw handing them out I have never even seen on a mass before.. not that they really were n00bs, but people who do nothing but ride along and then complain about it.
Maybe these hand bills were thier effort to 'step up to the plate' or whatever, but I think they skipped a few steps if they actually expected regulars to take them seriously.

ah, that's a much more reasonable criticism. i think sometimes the attitude of critical mass is more of a 'fuck yall its all about ME' sort of thing and i wanted to speak out against that. i agree with you that what they actually did was also ridiculous and very cart-before-the-horsish. i'd hope if derrick was passing out a handbill asking people to be nice you'd look at it differently... i'd probably pinch myself.
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derrickito wrote:
i set up the critical mass meetings usually

im going to schedule one for a week or so before mass, havent picked a time and date yet. i will let everyone know via the CM mailing list, and ill also post it here


Hey derrick, when are you hosting the next critical mass meeting?
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I thought BTM ran critical mass these days.


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what's critical mass?
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man, i haven't heard this song since i was a kid at the barber shop. derrick has great taste.

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that's justins doing, he's just zero height'd a youtube embed.


if it was me, id be putting it on the footer on every page.
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ksep
Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:02 pm Reply with quote
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derrickito wrote:

if it was me, id be putting it on the footer on every page.


My mistake.

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