"Cyclists Are Getting Dinged for Ignoring Speed Limits and Stop Signs on Burke-Gilman - City raked in $12,000 in skipped-stop-sign tickets alone in 2006."
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gsbarnes
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:56 pm
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sekai wrote:
"Has he ever had to chase down any two-wheeled delinquents to issue a ticket? "All the time," he says confidently."
I bet I could out sprint him.
No way man. All the guys hauling stolen TVs slow you down.
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DOUG.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:54 pm
Joined: 29 Jan 2007Posts: 117Location: Wallingford
I've long wondered: What's a cyclist's obligation to show a cop ID? We don't need one to ride a bike or roam the streets (yet), so why can't I just say I have no ID on me and give him a BS name?
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if the clown can catch me i'll sign his ticket! he better keep track of ALL the stops i run and not run any hisself!
oh, yeah, no license, no id...my name is uh, Derrick Ito. Address...hmmm, yeah wheres the Buck again?
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now that I have read the article i'll be SURE to blow thru those at full tilt as to test their radar guns and high speed persuit abilities. If I were to EVER hear someone shout at me "theres a stop sign there, mister", he'd get a Super Finger that would appear faster than i did!
Hell, i may even take off my helmet and wave it around as i exit LFP. Dic wads.
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lantius
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:20 pm
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
DOUG. wrote:
I've long wondered: What's a cyclist's obligation to show a cop ID? We don't need one to ride a bike or roam the streets (yet), so why can't I just say I have no ID on me and give him a BS name?
well, if they catch you breaking the law, you have to be able to identify yourself. if you don't have id and they're feeling particularly persnickety, i'm guessing you could spend a night in jail while they sort out who you are.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:31 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
lantius wrote:
DOUG. wrote:
I've long wondered: What's a cyclist's obligation to show a cop ID? We don't need one to ride a bike or roam the streets (yet), so why can't I just say I have no ID on me and give him a BS name?
well, if they catch you breaking the law, you have to be able to identify yourself. if you don't have id and they're feeling particularly persnickety, i'm guessing you could spend a night in jail while they sort out who you are.
for running a stop sign on a bike..in LFP???
what I WOULD go to jail for is laughing till i puked on the cop for the thought or it.
seems to me that pointeethree needs to take a stroll down to LFP via the BGT.
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srsly
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:06 pm
Joined: 12 Jun 2006Posts: 35Location: Sand Point
a stop sign is a stop sign. blow one, and they can ticket you, plain and simple.
that doesn't change the fact that LFP is filled with a bunch of cranky old people that just have chapped asses after getting told to pack sand by the county. i've never stopped for those stop signs and i think i've only seen one car cross the BG through there. buncha whiners.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:21 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
but serioously...after a year + of traveling thru LFP, running every stop sign and likely speeding (and even going helmet less in the winter months) i've never seen a bikey po-po anywhere down there.
must be a weekend enforcement
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vaticdart
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:29 am
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
Seriously, if you want to be a renegade and run stop signs (even on a trail), you have no reason to complain about getting a ticket. Also, if you get hit by a car when it's their right-of-way and you have a stop (say at the crossing of the BGT and Blakely over by the U-Village), it's your fault (sometimes, see below). I do drive occasionally, and the kind of stupid things I see my fellow cyclists doing at trail and street crossings is astounding. It's that old adage again... if we want to be respected as vehicles then we need to act like vehicles.
That said, a lot of the BGT stop signs have little to no visibility. The ones North of Matthews Beach come to mind (most of which I roll through), but even the one at Blakely isn't exactly great. Blakely has the additional problem of assholes in their Suburb-tanks on their cells pulling out of the U-Village. There are others that have horrid visibility too, so I understand the frustration, but I think if you want to respect other traffic you should at least make an effort (as in slow down... or even stop even if the visibility is terrible). There's a lot of stop signs on the BGT where I can totally imagine getting hit even coming to a complete stop and looking both ways before proceeding.
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srsly
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:28 am
Joined: 12 Jun 2006Posts: 35Location: Sand Point
TrikerTrev wrote:
must be a weekend enforcement
i've gone that way almost every weekend and quite a few weekdays since march and i haven't seen a single one.
vaticdart - correct. though as i said, i'm as guilty as anyone else. most of them i roll through, some of them i don't even see and slow down anyway because something could be coming from a blind hill. it would be interesting to see accident statistics or even anecdotal reports of near hits to see exactly what's going on up there. as most people have said they've never seen cops and hardly seen cars crossing the trail in that area.
i'd think most of the "FUSTOPSIGNS" is coming from LFP trying to keep the trail to the narrow washboard it is today just because they don't want people peeking in their back yards. should there be cops out there? probably. i've seen some asshats bookin it along the trail passing where they really shouldn't. i know the speed limit is 15, and of course i don't ride that slow, but i will if conditions dictate; such as through that driveway gauntlet. really though, if this were anywhere else other than through LFP i think people would be a little less riled about it. there are some spots north of the lake where there are driveways coming off bothell way and coming around blind the other side where there aren't stop signs and none of the drivers over there seem to be complaining...
vaticdart
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:13 am
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
srsly wrote:
TrikerTrev wrote:
must be a weekend enforcement
vaticdart - correct. though as i said, i'm as guilty as anyone else. most of them i roll through, some of them i don't even see and slow down anyway because something could be coming from a blind hill. it would be interesting to see accident statistics or even anecdotal reports of near hits to see exactly what's going on up there. as most people have said they've never seen cops and hardly seen cars crossing the trail in that area.
i'd think most of the "FUSTOPSIGNS" is coming from LFP trying to keep the trail to the narrow washboard it is today just because they don't want people peeking in their back yards. should there be cops out there? probably. i've seen some asshats bookin it along the trail passing where they really shouldn't. i know the speed limit is 15, and of course i don't ride that slow, but i will if conditions dictate; such as through that driveway gauntlet. really though, if this were anywhere else other than through LFP i think people would be a little less riled about it. there are some spots north of the lake where there are driveways coming off bothell way and coming around blind the other side where there aren't stop signs and none of the drivers over there seem to be complaining...
15? Wow... I'm usually doing at least 20 (I got one of dem fancy cyclo-puters last week). Yeah, passing is another problem: I've almost gotten hit head-on more times than I count by fellow bicyclists (usually spandex-trians) who are passing where they shouldn't (blind corners, when the trail is too narrow, etc...).
Interesting... so some of the stop signs in the chunk of the BGT north of Matthews Beach are items put up by private citizens? Not something I knew... it seems like a driveway should yield to a major commuting route, not the other way around.
My rule about stop signs is that if I can see all the incoming traffic well (no buildings in the way, no blind hills), and there is either no one else around or there is no question of who-go-there-first, I roll through. I slow down to the point where I'm almost stopped, and unclip my left foot, but I do roll through stop-signs (and if I get a ticket for it, I'll accept that). However when there is any question of right-of-way, any problem with visibility, I stop - foot down stop. If some idiot in a car blows through a stop sign and turns me into chunky jello on the street, I want to be completely in the right so I can get everything covered by their insurance.
And yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a cop on the BGT. I've gone for pretty long rides on the weekend meeting friends for breakfast or just out with the gf. Mostly that's between Ballard and the UDist; maybe they don't hang out there?
My point before was that you can't break the rules, get caught, and then bitch about the consequences. If you don't want the consequences, don't do it. I'm all for breaking the rules, but I can't stand people who whine about getting caught.
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Eric_s
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:54 am
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
maybe we should organize something where squids and others who go faster than 10mph (the LFP speed limit) should turn off before LFP and ride up bothell way to kenmoore, and then get back on the trail. Maybe doing this en masse during the commute time to avoid the stop signs and the speed limit. Maybe even doing it "legal", like some other ride some people might have done...
coupdegrace
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:00 am
Joined: 01 Nov 2006Posts: 168
It's not the crime,
it's not the deed,
it's not the thought,
it's if you get caught!
I was so pleased to be informed of this I ran 27 red lights in hizzonor.
When cars stop speeding, I'll stop rolling stop signs.
Even if every cyclist rode their bikes exactly perfect and legal in a bike lane, wearing a helmet and a spandex suit, motorists will still hate us.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:04 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
vaticdart wrote:
15? Wow... I'm usually doing at least 20 (I got one of dem fancy cyclo-puters last week). Yeah, passing is another problem: I've almost gotten hit head-on more times than I count by fellow bicyclists (usually spandex-trians) who are passing where they shouldn't (blind corners, when the trail is too narrow, etc...).
Interesting... so some of the stop signs in the chunk of the BGT north of Matthews Beach are items put up by private citizens? Not something I knew... it seems like a driveway should yield to a major commuting route, not the other way around.
My rule about stop signs is that if I can see all the incoming traffic well (no buildings in the way, no blind hills), and there is either no one else around or there is no question of who-go-there-first, I roll through. I slow down to the point where I'm almost stopped, and unclip my left foot, but I do roll through stop-signs (and if I get a ticket for it, I'll accept that). However when there is any question of right-of-way, any problem with visibility, I stop - foot down stop. If some idiot in a car blows through a stop sign and turns me into chunky jello on the street, I want to be completely in the right so I can get everything covered by their insurance.
And yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a cop on the BGT. I've gone for pretty long rides on the weekend meeting friends for breakfast or just out with the gf. Mostly that's between Ballard and the UDist; maybe they don't hang out there?
My point before was that you can't break the rules, get caught, and then bitch about the consequences. If you don't want the consequences, don't do it. I'm all for breaking the rules, but I can't stand people who whine about getting caught.
hmm, where to start...where to start?
first;
who the hell are you...do you ride with us?
second;
i like to rant...which dosent mean i'm ENTIRELY serious. gawd!
third;
did you READ the damn article and do you know the history between LFP and bikers?
fourth;
who the fuck is whining about tickets here?
so to clairify;
nooB takes my rant as reality without even showing an understanding of the story and frustration with the sandyginas in LFP.
I ride that strech of road 4, 5, maybe even 6 times a week as part of my 150 to 200 miles weekly commute between Seattle and Bothell. Lake Forrest Park has been trying (illegally) to block the maintanence and buildout of "their" strech of the BGT till the city told them to go suck shit 'cause they violated every process in the book (including theirs). Their citizens placed stop signs facing the wrong way (or had the city do it) so they wont have to stop to go from their driveways to the road...which the BGT crosses, even BEFORE they bought their homes.
This strech of BGT may have one actual crossing (where the swimming hole is) that the stop sign is really needed(not counting the 2, 4 way intersections in LFP). To be crystal clear, i dont blast thru intersections without looking to see if there is a car coming...but i'll be damned if i'm gonna come to a complete 3 second stop and put my foot down if there is NOT a car. As everyone in pointeethree knows, a error like that on my part will likely result in my very messy demise.
the rest of that area has likely a dozen stops, some in less than 50 yards apart, for no other reason than LFP folks being spoiled brats. The trail is narrow and full of scrotum busting root bumples that, in and of its self, restrict any biker from going at a clip greater than 10. That said, the BGT has a speed limit of 15 mph, but LFP took it upon themselves to impose a speed zone with no beginning or end.
ALSO, the article is focused on the LFP police who monitor "their"part of the trail. That admitted, LFP PD can gag on my ass hairs if they want to make and enforce laws that dont follow the RCW. Would you like me to dig those out for clairification on this issue???
oh, if i DO ever get a ticket for breaking a law, i'll handle it like a big boy, which does NOT include whining, crying, fussing or any other emotion made for sissies, squids, or langston.
*edit*
i was uncaffinated as this was written...sorry for the spines, but hey, welcome to pointdateythree!
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gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:08 am
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
Eric_s wrote:
maybe we should organize something where squids and others who go faster than 10mph (the LFP speed limit) should turn off before LFP and ride up bothell way to kenmoore, and then get back on the trail. Maybe doing this en masse during the commute time to avoid the stop signs and the speed limit. Maybe even doing it "legal", like some other ride some people might have done...
Good idea. But I would wait until LFP pulls its next bonehead move following their court slapdown. It's bound to happen.
Also, getting off the trail at LFP is problematic, since that is 145th, and the hill is rather formidable. To really screw up LFP traffic, you just need to take a lane of Bothell Way during rush hour. And it's perfectly justifiable: LFP's position is that the trail is for recreation only. So they want cyclists on their streets, and the only alternate route is Bothell Way. Just start at Ballinger Way, head south as far as you want up the hill, then make a left turn, turn around and go back the other way. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Just taking the block between Ballinger Way and the next stoplight is gonna screw up traffic in the whole city and beyond.
Like I said, though, I'd wait until they file an appeal, or upgrade the trail but then add something dumb to it like 10mph speed limit signs. You know they're going to try some crap like that.
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Eric_s
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:13 am
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
gsbarnes wrote:
Good idea. But I would wait until LFP pulls its next bonehead move following their court slapdown. It's bound to happen.
..... though, I'd wait until they file an appeal, or upgrade the trail but then add something dumb to it like 10mph speed limit signs. You know they're going to try some crap like that.
I agree: I wanted to get that idea in people's heads to rattle around...
derrickito
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:20 am
now with 50 percent more EVILJoined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 10566
trevor isnt exactly the welcoming mat of point83.
welcome to the group! :)
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:38 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
derrickito wrote:
trevor isnt exactly the welcoming mat of point83.
welcome to the group! :)
oh...i didn't get that memo
maybe i should apologize?
*edit*
there, west coast passive aggressive apology added for you and Ben. see disclaimer below \/ \/ \/
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vaticdart
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:59 am
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
TrikerTrev wrote:
derrickito wrote:
trevor isnt exactly the welcoming mat of point83.
welcome to the group! :)
oh...i didn't get that memo
maybe i should apologize?
*edit*
there, west coast passive aggressive apology added for you and Ben. see disclaimer below \/ \/ \/
Nah... I should have read the article! I joined your guy's forum when I wanted to make some suggestions for the next Stone Way Ride, and I'm afraid I did rather stick my foot in my mouth here.
I wasn't referring to you whining, but the earlier post:
Quote:
Wtf!
If law enforcement paid that kind of attention to protecting cyclists from douchebags in cars ...
When I said that about whining. A great deal of people in cars are douchebags, very true, but that doesn't give anyone, driving a car, riding a bike, or on a riding mower, a reason to be douchebag back. And honestly I'd say there's a great many douchebags on bikes too that endanger others needlessly. There's also a great many douchebag joggers, dog walkers, old people out for a stroll, families with 8 children, as anyone who rides the BGT knows.
Be considerate but aggressive by default, but be demeaning and an asshole when the situation warrants it. That's my general rule for riding. Of course some people think every situation warrants it, but that's their business.
And nope, haven't ridden with you guys... yet. I've been thinking about it, if I haven't pissed off everyone here already.
Regarding the article, which I have now read... late: not the area of the trail I frequent but that does sound messed up. If there's going to be a group ride to blow through that area at over the speed limit, I would be happy to participate.
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martin
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:41 pm
Joined: 30 Jan 2006Posts: 712
TrikerTrev wrote:
I ride that strech of road 4, 5, maybe even 6 times a week as part of my 150 to 200 miles weekly commute between Seattle and Bothell.
How have I not seen you all these years? I can't recall a single trike on the trail and that's my commute as well. I look like Jamie:
~same height
~same squid kit
~same bikes even
'cept a lot better looking.
Stanglor
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:49 pm
Joined: 28 Jan 2006Posts: 555Location: Wallingford
martin wrote:
TrikerTrev wrote:
I ride that strech of road 4, 5, maybe even 6 times a week as part of my 150 to 200 miles weekly commute between Seattle and Bothell.
'cept a lot better looking.
Translation: "I like to wear makeup and have anonymous butt sex at logboom"
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henry
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:56 pm
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Stanglor wrote:
Translation: "I like to wear makeup and have anonymous butt sex at logboom"
now with 50 percent more EVILJoined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 10566
i was searching for "buttsex" and ended up here
Eric_s
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:10 pm
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
derrickito wrote:
i was searching for "buttsex" and ended up here
Of all the people on the forum, you're the one I find it hardest to believe that you don't always know where the buttsecks is.
derrickito
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:19 pm
now with 50 percent more EVILJoined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 10566
i show up on ONE ride with a bottle of KY and my spotless reputation gets tarnished.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:36 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
henry wrote:
Stanglor wrote:
Translation: "I like to wear makeup and have anonymous butt sex at logboom"
I always got a sexy vibe from that place.
Nothing says sexy like ducks and new playground equipment!
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vaticdart
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:46 pm
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
derrickito wrote:
i show up on ONE ride with a bottle of KY and my spotless reputation gets tarnished.
Do you even need KY when they sell stuff like this?
Ugh... I'd hate my butt to be that boney.
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MikeOD
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:02 pm
Joined: 04 Feb 2006Posts: 545
derrickito wrote:
i was searching for "buttsex" and ended up here
I didn't believe you, so I searched for "buttsex" and ended up here.
MikeOD
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:06 pm
Joined: 04 Feb 2006Posts: 545
vaticdart wrote:
My point before was that you can't break the rules, get caught, and then bitch about the consequences. If you don't want the consequences, don't do it. I'm all for breaking the rules, but I can't stand people who whine about getting caught.
It's been said before, more eloquently though:
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:11 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
MikeOD wrote:
vaticdart wrote:
My point before was that you can't break the rules, get caught, and then bitch about the consequences. If you don't want the consequences, don't do it. I'm all for breaking the rules, but I can't stand people who whine about getting caught.
It's been said before, more eloquently though:
Don't kill your wife if you can't do the time.
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vaticdart
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:17 pm
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
gsbarnes wrote:
MikeOD wrote:
vaticdart wrote:
My point before was that you can't break the rules, get caught, and then bitch about the consequences. If you don't want the consequences, don't do it. I'm all for breaking the rules, but I can't stand people who whine about getting caught.
It's been said before, more eloquently though:
Don't kill your wife if you can't do the time.
Okay, you got me... I have no idea what the hell that image means. Is it the buttsecks owl?
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MikeOD
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:40 pm
Joined: 04 Feb 2006Posts: 545
It's Robert Blake from the hit 70's tv show Baretta. The tagline from the show's theme song was "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Another in a long line of celebrities to get away with killing his wife. I'll have to update my cultural references so I don't have to explain my jokes.
Eric_s
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:44 pm
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
MikeOD wrote:
It's Robert Blake from the hit 70's tv show Baretta. The tagline from the show's theme song was "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Another in a long line of celebrities to get away with killing his wife. I'll have to update my cultural references so I don't have to explain my jokes.
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
Awesome... now if only I had seen more 70s TV shows than those I watched with my Grandma growing up; Columbo, Murder She Wrote... and some others I have successfully repressed.
Didn't Captn' Kirk have a cop show in the 70s too?
MikeOD wrote:
It's Robert Blake from the hit 70's tv show Baretta. The tagline from the show's theme song was "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". Another in a long line of celebrities to get away with killing his wife. I'll have to update my cultural references so I don't have to explain my jokes.
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Happy Stick Person
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:32 pm
Joined: 20 Sep 2006Posts: 1168Location: Leschi
vaticdart wrote:
Didn't Captn' Kirk have a cop show in the 70s too?
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