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id run it something like this:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1293173
might be a smoother route than pike/broadway over the hill there, and could possibly drop through downtown then up chinatown to mix it up a bit.
Happy Stick Person
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:47 pm
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pike to 12th is the easiest way over the hill.
lantius
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:48 pm
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what derrick said, except take 12th rather than broadway/boren.
derrickito
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:51 pm
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ahh thats right. 12th is a nice long downhill, and broadway has a little climb out of that dell by the hospital.
i like 12th.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:59 pm
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bless ya'll! :D
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:33 pm
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Climb (or descend) Capitol Hill on 10th, taking 12th as much possible (to/from about Aloha south of Volunteer Park). This avoids the potentially dangerous Eastlake onramp to I-5, but puts you on the busy 10th instead. 12th through Capitol Hill is nice, though.
After you cross the Jose Rizal Bridge, take the right fork (west of the PacMed building) and climb up to 14th at your leisure.
Instead of Beacon Avenue, take 15th and approach the VA from the west side.
If you're really bored, use Cheasty Blvd down from the hospital to the Rainier Valley. There's no rational reason to do so, other than that Cheasty is a nice ride.
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DJStroky
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:58 am
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All right, here is your ultimate commuting bike ride:
First, nothing will wake you up more than a stair climb up E Howe St to Broadway! Then you can bomb down into SLU with great views. Climb back up Denny to get ready for the second bomb down Madison all the way to the waterfront! Then climb up cherry street, it's only a 15% grade or something like that.
Next you cross the Jose Rizal bridge and bomb down the trail to 23rd. Then you climb back up Beacon and make a grocery stop down at the Hilltop Red Apple. Then you do the final bomb, the BEACON BOMB, down into SODO. While you're down there you gotta make a quick stop down at the bread dumpster and then you head over towards Georgetown to climb up Lucile st. While you're nearby you gotta make a quick stop at the C.O.B.J. and then you pull into the VA parking lot a make a .83 loop and then you're done.
Total distance: 15.31 miles and 1308ft climbing. Enjoy!
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:02 pm
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DJStroky wrote:
First, nothing will wake you up more than a stair climb up E Howe St to Broadway!
Those are a serious set of stairs! All moss covered and sinking into the hill. Kat climbed them willingly after the July midnight race on her way home. I generally avoid them like the plague.
surlykat
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:48 pm
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laura wrote:
DJStroky wrote:
First, nothing will wake you up more than a stair climb up E Howe St to Broadway!
Those are a serious set of stairs! All moss covered and sinking into the hill. Kat climbed them willingly after the July midnight race on her way home. I generally avoid them like the plague.
I haven't taken them in awhile, but still consider them to be a viable way from Eastlake to my apartment off Broadway.
Recently i've been taking the long way home: From the UW where I work, through Fremont, up over Dexter, up Pike to Harvard and north to my apartment. Longer ride, but much, MUCH more fun than taking Harvard to 10th up that fucking hill. My knees like me a lot better these days.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:55 pm
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surlykat wrote:
From the UW where I work, through Fremont, up over Dexter, up Pike to Harvard and north to my apartment. Longer ride, but much, MUCH more fun than taking Harvard to 10th up that fucking hill. My knees like me a lot better these days.
!?!?
You mean to tell me you take DEXTER between the UW and capitol hill?
I think it quite possibly is the lowest grade climbing capitol hill from North to South.
I don't think so. Turn on elevation for Henry's route and yours, and it looks to me like his has the same or better slope, his route isn't nearly as long, and it doesn't senselessly make you climb the ridge Providence is on from Madison Valley.
On the other hand, yours avoids a lot of messy traffic.
Henry's route can be improved by ducking under I-5 from Harvard and avoiding the steep block up to Boylston from Eastlake.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:41 pm
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God damnit. Where is Brandon? He's supposed to be working on a computer program to run graph algorithms to figure all of this shit out, so that we don't have to clutter the forums as you work out each iteration of a route.
:)
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:48 pm
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OH YEAH!! He was telling me about this. A quick google brings up this "graphserver" website. I hate .tar.gz extensions though. I have no f-ing clue how to do anything with those files.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:55 pm
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DJStroky wrote:
I hate .tar.gz extensions though. I have no f-ing clue how to do anything with those files.
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henry wrote:
tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
Duh.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:08 pm
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Remington wrote:
God damnit. Where is Brandon? He's supposed to be working on a computer program to run graph algorithms to figure all of this shit out, so that we don't have to clutter the forums as you work out each iteration of a route.
:)
Should I mention that I got my PhD in graph theory? Oh, probably not.
But anyway, shortest path algorithms are not hard. It's getting the data that's hard.
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badhill
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:40 pm
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It's not so much the graph theory, and it's not so much the getting the data. It's the hookin' 'em together so good that people don't yell at you when you strand 'em in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. Where am I? I'm in Boston working for a living. I'll get to it when I get to it.
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badhill wrote:
It's not so much the graph theory, and it's not so much the getting the data. It's the hookin' 'em together so good that people don't yell at you when you strand 'em in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. Where am I? I'm in Boston working for a living. I'll get to it when I get to it.
Really? If you have good data, how could you create a route that strands people in the middle of the night? The algorithm is basic stuff given you have the data and a method for the user to influence the weighting function.
Well, I guess there could be problems if segments had different weights depending on times of day (extreme examples: the Ballard Locks, or the ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge, which can't be used at all in the wee hours). But these aren't very common and it seems you should be able to work around this using something similar to the 'avoid freeways' option some mapping services provide).
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badhill
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:48 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Really? If you have good data, how could you create a route that strands people in the middle of the night? The algorithm is basic stuff given you have the data and a method for the user to influence the weighting function.
Yes. It's not research-hard. It's engineering-hard. But anyway hey check it out graphserver is open source and freely available, and you've got a degree in graph theory. And I've even got a scrappy network of transportation hackers scattered across the nation for to help you build up a trip planner. Go to.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:46 pm
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badhill wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Really? If you have good data, how could you create a route that strands people in the middle of the night? The algorithm is basic stuff given you have the data and a method for the user to influence the weighting function.
Yes. It's not research-hard. It's engineering-hard. But anyway hey check it out graphserver is open source and freely available, and you've got a degree in graph theory. And I've even got a scrappy network of transportation hackers scattered across the nation for to help you build up a trip planner. Go to.
Didn't I say it was hard, because of the lack of good data? Writing the code may be difficult, but at least I can see how it could be done. For the data, though, I haven't got a clue, for example, where one even gets a free list of all the vertices (the intersections, for those of you who don't know). Much less the edge values (distance, elevation gain/loss, bikeability, ...). Just as an example, what free online map data includes the Burke-Gilman Trail, even just the old section between the UW and Logboom?
So, sorry, I'm not volunteering, either. Just bullshitting on the internets.
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lantius
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:26 am
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i have a brilliant little bikeability module that i want to import into graphserver. maybe gsbarnes could help me?
badhill
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:34 am
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gsbarnes wrote:
Didn't I say it was hard, because of the lack of good data? Writing the code may be difficult, but at least I can see how it could be done. For the data, though, I haven't got a clue, for example, where one even gets a free list of all the vertices (the intersections, for those of you who don't know). Much less the edge values (distance, elevation gain/loss, bikeability, ...). Just as an example, what free online map data includes the Burke-Gilman Trail, even just the old section between the UW and Logboom?
The US Census TIGER/line offers a national topological base layer; mostly roads. For the Burke-Gilman. The TIGER/line dataset is complete, but innaccurate, which is where the Open Street Map (http://www.openstreetmap.org/) comes in. It's accurate, but it's not complete. So there's a massive effort to import TIGER data into the OSM, where it can be cross-referenced with aerial photos and local knowledge for to make better maps. In Washington State, Whatcom county and San Juan County are already loaded, as is much of Oregon.I've already carefully added the Burke-Guilman to the OSM, and carefully noted all underpasses and overpasses that it deals with. You can see it on the OSM site. Regarding elevation: one parses the USGS DEM files, in their many formats, and extracts elevation profiles for streets. I've done it. It can't be that hard.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:47 am
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badhill wrote:
It can't be that hard.
Maybe to some 1337 h4x0r$ like all you on this thread...
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:44 pm
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lantius wrote:
i have a brilliant little bikeability module that i want to import into graphserver. maybe gsbarnes could help me?
I can't even find time to fix my broken bathroom faucet...
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