Nevermind, They want to keep the group small. Personal invite only. Public invite retracted.
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Alex
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:30 am
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Aaron wrote:
The pace is decidedly slower and we keep as a group. Kind of like how .83 used to be....
There is enough bike love to go around without ANY BULLSHIT!
How slow is slower? What size are the groups? How long is the typical ride?
alex
dennyt
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:09 am
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Glad to hear you've found a happy new home, Aaron.
derrickito
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:18 am
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we'll have a few copies of the TOS printed off and sent over to them.
vaticdart
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:21 am
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
Aaron wrote:
I have defected to another bike group.
If any of you bitches want to ride at a slower pace and with an older crowd, then,
Meet every Thursday at All City Coffee at 4th and Prefontaine.
7 PM every Thursday.
No I did not start this group. It has been happening for over a year. They have merged with .83 several times, the last being at Alistair's place on QA Hill.
The pace is decidedly slower and we keep as a group. Kind of like how .83 used to be....
There is enough bike love to go around without ANY BULLSHIT!
My one ride so far I didn't find the pace particularly fast (the 9-11 ride), at least going up. Coming back down was a bit faster than I was comfortable with... night... dark... unfamiliar roads... blah blah, yes I'm a weenie, but dammit, I kept up. And I do need to learn how to have some faith in the mysterious magic of those two gyros I'm sitting on top of to keep me upright.
And it seemed like everyone kept together as a group fine, even stopping at times to wait up for the slower people climbing that hill out of Northgate. Is it that different on the more "normal" rides?
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langston
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:48 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
it's not that we go too fast, our average speed of 13mph isn't exactly flying. It's not like we drop a ton of people recently either, with mechanical stops every mile.
1) 30 people on bikes are difficult to keep in a pack, especially when half are somewhat new to cycling in a group
2) Don't blame other people and how they prefer to ride their bikes for your social conflicts
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:07 am
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vaticdart wrote:
And it seemed like everyone kept together as a group fine, even stopping at times to wait up for the slower people climbing that hill out of Northgate. Is it that different on the more "normal" rides?
Aaron has a long held belief that the ride should stick together like a peloton and not stretch out at all/much. Smaller groups (say 10-15) this is not a big deal as you'd notice if 1/3 of the group is missing at the top of a hill. In bigger groups (30-40), 5 people dropping off is harder to notice. Usually, it's new people who fall off the back who don't have anyone's cell phone number to call that we worry about the most.
Aaron thinks we should ride in "formation" so we don't drop people. Thing is, with so many fixed riders, riders of different skill levels, and routes we have ridden many time, it's not realistic to assume that we will all ride in a two wide row for an entire ride. Hell, hill climbing strategies alone are enough to make this not happen.
Anyway, Aaron thinks tighter grouping and slower speeds would prevent this, but the group always tends to speed creep. It's how we figure out who gets told about the secret meetings and getting into the assorted sub committees.
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:34 am
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langston wrote:
Don't blame other people and how they prefer to ride their bikes for your social conflicts
Aaron's just "swinging" with another bike club, that's all. I wonder which "model" they follow?
Hot Wife?
Dogging (but for bikes)?
Cuckolding?
Bi-sexual?
kalen
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:01 pm
Joined: 10 Apr 2007Posts: 342Location: Olympia, on the farm
vaticdart wrote:
I need to learn how to have some faith in the mysterious magic of those two gyros I'm sitting on top of to keep me upright.
I tend to prefer the falafel, but gyros are good, too.
joby
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:07 pm
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kalen wrote:
vaticdart wrote:
I need to learn how to have some faith in the mysterious magic of those two gyros I'm sitting on top of to keep me upright.
I tend to prefer the falafel, but gyros are good, too.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:42 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
im gonna dick out for a moment...blame henry and his free half gallon of tequila.
oh my GAWD, your kidding, right?!!
lets see, aaron, you have a semi personal blow out with another person in the group who may or may not forgive you. you do silly/questionable things and get called out on it, but its dealt with a layer of humor so thick it was laid on with a spatula, but take offense to it all.
so instead of bucking up, laughing at your follies/mistakes, apoligizing and learning from these, you bitch about it and run off to another group...and post your treason here! why? in hopes others will convert to your side of good?
sure looks like are you secretly hoping to suck folks out of pointee3, like a parasite. "The pace is decidedly slower and we keep as a group. Kind of like how .83 used to be....There is enough bike love to go around without ANY BULLSHIT! sorry you feel so slighted, but is really, really, gay...and you KNOW id say it to your face, so lets not go there.
...and why the hell are you whining about us going too fast? most of the time i see you on a damn battery assisted ride!!! jezus.
one can only hope ya have learned form this. i hope your new friends dont laugh too hard at you, else you'll have find yet another club to adopt eventually. learn to take a joke, especially when you do laughable things.
peace
/rant
that said, to the newbys...theres PLENTY of love and fun to go around here regardless, and the drama is 99% fun.
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dashap
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:51 pm
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Aw shoot, Aaron, bring 'em over to Westlake on Thursday by 7:30; bigger groups are better!
TrikerTrev
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:51 pm
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vaticdart wrote:
And it seemed like everyone kept together as a group fine, even stopping at times to wait up for the slower people climbing that hill out of Northgate. Is it that different on the more "normal" rides?
yeah...we will always stop to get the group back together when were bouncing thru different destinations. if a ride is going to a well known place (golden gardens...alki...ect), then its possible, even likely the group will stretch out some. the only time you may get left back is when folks are returning home.
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Rogelio
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:45 pm
Joined: 31 Jul 2007Posts: 3092Location: Pos, aya, por la Corona-Alta-Madera y que no.
kalen wrote:
vaticdart wrote:
I need to learn how to have some faith in the mysterious magic of those two gyros I'm sitting on top of to keep me upright.
I tend to prefer the falafel, but gyros are good, too.
My vote goes for falafel. mmmhh... tzatziki.
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:53 pm
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TrikerTrev wrote:
Things Trevor said some stuff...
I pretty much read the post from Aaron and felt like it was the "I'm taking my ball and going home!" post. I think most of the people who are upset with Aaron for one reason or another are pretty justified in feeling the way they do based on what they have told me. I'm disappointed that Aaron feels that we're all disposable enough to not try working things out (demanding that the TOS be taken down is NOT "trying to work things out"), but it's not my decision to make. He's decided to seek greener pastures, and I'm loath to see any logic in begging him to come back, seeing as it was his decision to leave. I'm not about to force anyone to be in Point83 as it would remove all the fun. Sometimes people come out for a few rides and decide we're not their cup of tea. Sometimes a couple of rides lasts for a few years, other times a week or two. I like and want to ride with Point83 because everyone else does too. Aaron clearly no longer feels that way about Point83, so I wish him luck with his other ventures. I also hope he can learn a little from all this and not just write the whole thing off to us being a bunch of assholes who drove him out, because we didn't.
TrikerTrev wrote:
that said, to the newbys...theres PLENTY of love and fun to go around here regardless, and the drama is 99% fun.
Although this is the most drama we've seen in the two years or so that I have been riding with Point83.
keyholefish
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:21 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 268Location: somerville, ma
I'm not sure 'we didn't drive him out' is fair. Some of the stuff that happened on the TOS was damn heartless, though evidently supported by the group. Time for a secret meeting.
langston
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:32 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
keyholefish wrote:
I'm not sure 'we didn't drive him out' is fair. Some of the stuff that happened on the TOS was damn heartless, though evidently supported by the group. Time for a secret meeting.
more like supported by a few (one?) individuals who abused their "moderator" status. The duties are to moderate and maintain, not forward a personal agenda.
pete jr
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:33 pm
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phew!
lantius
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:34 pm
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langston wrote:
more like supported by a few (one?) individuals who abused their "moderator" status. The duties are to moderate and maintain, not forward a personal agenda.
did you even READ the tos?
dennyt
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:22 pm
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It wasn't the moderator who wrote the TOS, he just provided the blank slate for the masses.
And there was a lot of Crap with Aaron's name associated.
langston
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:51 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
lantius wrote:
langston wrote:
more like supported by a few (one?) individuals who abused their "moderator" status. The duties are to moderate and maintain, not forward a personal agenda.
did you even READ the tos?
regularlly. Tried to edit the bullshit out of it a few times as well. I might be off base, but I'd no more expect a moderator to allow that kind of bullshit then they would child-pornography, let alone restore and maintain it.
The first week I thought the TOS was hilarious.
Aaron
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:38 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
I was just inviting you all to meet a different group.
It is a coincidence that this group meets the same time. Some times they may very well meet up with .83. They have in the past.
I did behave badly in the past and have reformed. I get way too drunk with you fuckers and then have bad judgement. I have appologized to all the women I ever hit on. Sorry again.
The TOS stuff made me feel very uncomfortable around all of you because I did not know who was writing the stuff. Most of it seems to me to be written by Lee, Derrick, Henry and Joby, even though they all deny it.
I have tried repeatedly to reconcile with Joby. The TOS made it seem like you all took his side. And for the record, I did NOT, NOPE, NEVER try to sleep with his wife. That is a lie. I do not lie.
Anyway, cheer, and see you around.
lantius
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:00 pm
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me???
mcrawfor
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:27 pm
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lantius wrote:
me???
Yeah! You're the most mean-hearted person I know!
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joby
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:32 pm
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lantius wrote:
me???
Not a chance. Lee never has a bad thing to say about anyone.
Sorry to name names, Lee, but some of the comments "sounded" like you. Whom else would use the word: Tirade?
Again, this thread was not "me taking my ball and going home", or saying I am gone for good, just that the TOS made me feel pretty uncomfortable (I am not the only one, and yes, some of it was pretty funny. Lots of inside jokes.) This new group has no name & no internet. Think of it as .83 Silver.
Alex, by slow I mean around 13-15 MPH. Most .83 rides I have been on seem to be 18-20 MPH. The ride petered out around 11:30 PM. I have only been on one ride so I do not know if that is typical. Like .83, the ridership lives all over the city.
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:09 pm
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Aaron wrote:
Alex, by slow I mean around 13-15 MPH. Most .83 rides I have been on seem to be 18-20 MPH.
The fastest Point83 ride ever averaged 16.1 miles per hour from Red Square to 80th and Lakeview round trip. We averaged 17.1 miles per hour going alone. I think you need a speedometer.
Aaron
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:16 pm
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SeditiousCanary wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Alex, by slow I mean around 13-15 MPH. Most .83 rides I have been on seem to be 18-20 MPH.
The fastest Point83 ride ever averaged 16.1 miles per hour from Red Square to 80th and Lakeview round trip. We averaged 17.1 miles per hour going alone. I think you need a speedometer.
What ev-ar!!! Point is, they ride slower. But not granny slow. Just nice slow. You still get a work out and there is pleny of pint lifting so your biceps stay rad and buff.
What ev-ar!!! Point is, they ride slower. But not granny slow. Just nice slow. You still get a work out and there is pleny of pint lifting so your biceps stay rad and buff.
Dude, with which .83 have you been riding ?
Not only are my biceps not rad and buff, but my abs are flab. As a result, I am totally not seeing all the hook-up action several esteemed members have previously discussed.
In fact, it's not like it's "Lucia and Laura scare away all the females away with mad bike skill" as discussed in the TOS, it's more like 95% of the women nearly scare me away because I am pretty sure they can all kick my arse. I'm pretty sure that if I so much as piss them off once, you'll find me lifeless and unresponsive in an alley in Fremont sometime Friday after a ride.
gsbarnes
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:48 pm
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Aaron wrote:
Sorry to name names, Lee, but some of the comments "sounded" like you. Whom else would use the word: Tirade?
I would, but in this case I didn't.
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Remington
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:27 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Sorry to name names, Lee, but some of the comments "sounded" like you. Whom else would use the word: Tirade?
I would, but in this case I didn't.
Oh really? And how can we know? Prove it.
Remington
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:40 pm
Joined: 23 Jan 2006Posts: 457Location: Remington Country
Matthew wrote:
In fact, it's not like it's "Lucia and Laura scare away all the females away with mad bike skill" as discussed in the TOS, it's more like 95% of the women nearly scare me away because I am pretty sure they can all kick my arse. I'm pretty sure that if I so much as piss them off once, you'll find me lifeless and unresponsive in an alley in Fremont sometime Friday after a ride.
I have an idea for an anti-Laura device that might protect you. I'm not sure how to stop Lucia.
lantius
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:31 am
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Aaron wrote:
Sorry to name names, Lee, but some of the comments "sounded" like you. Whom else would use the word: Tirade?
sorry to disappoint aaron, but it wasn't me. thanks for being a dick and talking trash about me on the tos though.
if we all just apologize about the tos making you feel uncomfortable can we keep doing it?
Foo
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:45 am
Joined: 27 Jul 2007Posts: 583
Remington wrote:
I have an idea for an anti-Laura device that might protect you. I'm not sure how to stop Lucia.
I have an idea for an anti-Laura device that might protect you. I'm not sure how to stop Lucia.
Does it involve those quack noise makers you get on the Duck Tours? 'Cos I'm pretty sure that'd actually attract Laura.
And then you'd find me Friday morning, unresponsive in an alley in Fremont.
Rogelio
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:27 am
Joined: 31 Jul 2007Posts: 3092Location: Pos, aya, por la Corona-Alta-Madera y que no.
Matthew wrote:
Remington wrote:
I have an idea for an anti-Laura device that might protect you. I'm not sure how to stop Lucia.
Does it involve those quack noise makers you get on the Duck Tours? 'Cos I'm pretty sure that'd actually attract Laura.
And then you'd find me Friday morning, unresponsive in an alley in Fremont.
Safety words Matthew... safe-tee words, or hand signals depending on what you're up to.
Then again you might be too scared of showing some sort of perceived weakness and then they'd find you Friday morning, unresponsive in an alley in Fremont.
gsbarnes
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:11 am
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
Remington wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Sorry to name names, Lee, but some of the comments "sounded" like you. Whom else would use the word: Tirade?
I would, but in this case I didn't.
Oh really? And how can we know? Prove it.
I've retired from the proof business. Go ask the Zackalope.
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keyholefish
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:13 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 268Location: somerville, ma
Matthew wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I so much as piss them off once, you'll find me lifeless and unresponsive in an alley in Fremont sometime Friday after a ride.
Rightly so. Once upon a time Leah and another kicked the asses of everyone on the ride, and then fractured their own bones.
protaghiro
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:00 pm
Joined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 52
let me tell you the brief story of my final ride with .83.
once upon a time we were riding along towards west seattle / alki when all of a sudden my chain came loose. zoom, zoom, zoom you all rode past me. one guy stopped and asked if i had tools? 'yes' i replied. then he was gone as well. i was unable to repair the chain with the tools i had, hence i was 'dropped' and had a really fun walk home.
the moral of the story? if you are not a cute girl or a popular member, the group will not wait for you, and you are left to fend for yourself somewhere near boeing field.
the end.
derrickito
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:07 pm
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that sucks balls, i dont think that happens regularly. i can say honestly that we've stopped for long periods of time fixing bikes of ugly noob guys :)
it's important to give a yell when you break down with this group. if someone just stops and pulls over without a word, no one will know whats happening. gotta be super assertive.
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