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gsbarnes

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:06 pm

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Edit: We're on for Sunday evening, 7pm, College Inn Pub.

Anyone want to plan another Seattle Likes Bikes ride/event? Let's meet up, drink some beers, discuss, and maybe even do something.

Here's what we've discussed doing:

U.S. Conference of Mayors Climate Protection Summit

Anyway, I'm free this Sunday after around 4pm. Anyone else in? Suggest a time if that's bad for you.

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Foo

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:37 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

I'm down, I certainly don't feel competent to handle all the memorial ride planning myself. I talked to Bryce yesterday. He's coming back into town either Friday or Tuesday (standby flights) and Tyler's due back on Monday.

I know that Caleb's planning on talking to Bryce's parents to see if they'd want to participate in the memorial ride. If so, I'd argue strongly we should wait - probably mid-to-late-October timeframe in that case. Otherwise, I imagine the ride would be in the next week or two.

I'm not sure if Caleb and Tyler are going to be up for the ride in time for CM, they're going to be just back into town and getting ready for the start of UW classes this coming week.

So...um I guess that means either first week of Oct or a couple weeks after that depending on what Bryce's parents' wishes are. We should know in a few days.

TrikerTrev

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:46 pm

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

Sundays good for me.

I really think the memorial ride be on Calebs and Bryces folks time frame, not ours. We should work around their schedule. IMO

The rest of the agenda can certainly wait till Sunday.

Do we have a place to meet? CIP maybe?

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snyd3282

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:47 pm

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I think I'm working a shift at Oktoberfest so I wouldn't be able to do anything until late in the evening.

Don't hold up the planning on my account. Just let me know where/when to hand out fliers and I'll help where I can.

surlykat

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:54 am

Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 658 Location: in the CD

Foo wrote:

I talked to Bryce yesterday.

Ouija board? Or just in your head?

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

FieryIrie

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:59 am

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 554 Location: Wallingford

My thoughts were similar.
How's the Big Island!?!

Foo

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:56 am

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

surlykat wrote:

Foo wrote:

I talked to Bryce yesterday.

Ouija board? Or just in your head?

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

Seance, he agreed to rattle the windows in your hotel all vacation long.

Caleb, I talked to Caleb.

n_claw

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:03 am

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

almost missed this thread.

yes, let's postpone the 10/3 ride. but let's get going on planning for it and the others.

i can't make it Sunday--1st weekend of fall, gotta be home to work in the yard with the 'mates.

keep me posted?

Nan Caruh sent me an email asking for info about the 10/3 ride:

Greetings. As a neighbor, driver and pedestrian on lower Stone Way I am appalled that the "safer Stone Way" was not extended down to N. 34th as originally planned. I have written before, in support of bicyclists, but am now pursuing this on behalf of everyone involved.

I am the block watch coordinator of N. 38th and Interlake. I am writing an e-mail to my neighbors, informing them that the decision to not create a safer (lower) Stone Way was to appease a very small number of businesses that rely on larger trucks and freight-size trucks. (I have had this confirmed by several people at the SDOT, although they will not give me the names of the businesses.)

I notice you have an event posted tentatively for Oct. 3rd. If you would like me to include information about this event in my e-mail to neighbors, please feel free to forward details, i.e. the e-mail address for the Mayor. I plan on sending this e-mail out over the upcoming weekend.

Bastyr is taking on the issue of the removal of the crosswalk at N. 38th. (I was told this was removed because pedestrians had a false sense of security using this crosswalk. Why have crosswalks at all?!?!?! ) I'm sure one weekend collecting signatures of bicyclists at N. 34th and Stone Way would be quite easy and productive. I am interested in taking on the businesses and the SDOT who support the faulty reasoning that increased volume of vehicles means we keep the road markings as is. A center turn lane is desperately needed along this particular corridor, thereby giving bicyclist a dedicated lane and safer crosswalks for pedistrians.

Sincerely, Nan Caruh

/end

I wasn't really sure what to tell her, altho i was pretty sure we'd end up postponing the 10/3 event in favour of the memorial ride. altho...you know, we do still have enough time to put it together if we push. and we'd be able to promote it at CM.

anyhow. yes, loop. let me know what goes down.
-N*

TrikerTrev

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:13 am

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

personally, I think the Stone Way ride and the memorial ride need to be kept separate. If we mix the two it becomes confusing for others and we risk loosing the messages entirely.

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Foo

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:37 am

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

It's the pile up bike parts on the Mayor's doorstep, not the Stone way ride, If I gather correctly - but I still agree.

While a protest ride for bike safety and the memorial ride would be a logical combo, personally, I would feel like we were being exploitative of Bryce if we combined the two.

n_claw

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:46 am

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

I wasn't actually suggesting we combine the two, but iwas suggesting we do the bike parts ride on the 3rd as planned IF we can get our asses in gear.

Foo

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:13 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

I realized that, this was more of a heading off of such an idea since it was a logical next step, at least to me.

gsbarnes

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:04 pm

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Actually, I think if one wants to 'Send a Message to the Mayor' (my title for the bike parts idea), the Mayors' Climate Change Summit is the place to do it. Nickels is proud of what a fine, green global warming fighter he is, and wants to impress his peers. If we could figure out a way to get across the message that, for us, it's been a lot more talk than words, and do it while he's trying to grab the spotlight, that would be more effective than going to City Hall on a random date.

At least, that's my pitch for that ride.

It'd be nice to do all these, but I see a lot of enthusiasm for action only at certain times (when they said they were closing the BGT in Fremont for a year, when Bryce was killed), and I don't know that people will be willing to work hard for a ride on both October 3 and a nearby date (as Bryce's ride is looking to be). The bike parts idea can be moved to any date, so it's logical that it gets postponed.

Again, these are just my thoughts. Don't let me talk you out of doing something if you have a good idea how to do it.

Meanwhile, Trevor suggested the CIP, which is fine with me. Which is better: before dinner (4-5ish) or after (7-8ish)? Or we could do it in the middle of next week if that's better for more people.

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Eric_s

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:08 pm

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gsbarnes wrote:

Meanwhile, Trevor suggested the CIP, which is fine with me. Which is better: before dinner (4-5ish) or after (7-8ish)? Or we could do it in the middle of next week if that's better for more people.

After, because at least then I can come.

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gsbarnes

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:55 am

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Here's an idea (not a ride idea):

Make up a bunch of posters on this theme, and throw them up around town leading up to the Mayor's Summit:

Quote:

City X has this:

Picture of cool bike feature

Seattle has this:

Hideous Seattle bike problem.

Explanatory text.

So, for example:

Quote:

Tucson has this:

Seattle has this:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/322736_bicycle07.html

Cities like Tucson, AZ are building bike and pedestrian bridges to make commuting without a car safer and more convenient. Meanwhile, the Ballard Bridge is widely recognized as the biggest barrier to cycling in Seattle, and Mayor Nickels thinks it 'needs further study'. <blah, blah, blah> SeattleLikesBikes.org

Use your imagination. For instance, imagine I found a picture to illustrate just how bad the Ballard Bridge is. Imagine a flyer contrasting Vancouver's bicycle boulevards with Seattle's sharrows in the door zone. Imagine Portland's blue lanes vs. a picture of Eastlake/Fuhrman. That's my idea. Come meet up on Sunday and praise or dis it, or, heck, do it now. That's what the forum is for.

Still don't know what to do for a ride, though.

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gsbarnes

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:59 am

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Eric_s wrote:

gsbarnes wrote:

Meanwhile, Trevor suggested the CIP, which is fine with me. Which is better: before dinner (4-5ish) or after (7-8ish)? Or we could do it in the middle of next week if that's better for more people.

After, because at least then I can come.

Okay, I'm thinking College Inn Pub, Sunday, 7pm. If this doesn't work for you, you've got a few hours to suggest another time.

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Patrick

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:52 pm

Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 29 Location: Eastlake

Hey all,
I sent a message to some of you a couple weeks ago about getting together and talking about Stone Way: what we've learned in the past few months, where CBC is going on it, etc. I dropped the ball when no one could meet on the same day and I got a pile of work dumped on my desk, buuuut, this seems like a good opportunity so if you don't mind, David's planning on stopping by to tell you what we know (I'll be out of town).

_Patrick

snyd3282

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:12 pm

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gsbarnes wrote:

Okay, I'm thinking College Inn Pub, Sunday, 7pm. If this doesn't work for you, you've got a few hours to suggest another time.

Cool! I can actually make it! I'll see you there.

TrikerTrev

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:42 pm

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

snyd3282 wrote:

gsbarnes wrote:

Okay, I'm thinking College Inn Pub, Sunday, 7pm. If this doesn't work for you, you've got a few hours to suggest another time.

Cool! I can actually make it! I'll see you there.

no prob here...7 pm...CIP.

and whos this stiff suit thats telling hes gonna sue me?

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gsbarnes

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:53 pm

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Patrick wrote:

I don't mind, and I'll bet if anyone does mind, a pitcher would change their minds. So tell David to come on by.

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DJStroky

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:36 pm

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 356 Location: Downtown Tacoma

I'll be there. David Hiller from Ka$kade said he's coming too.

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gsbarnes

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:34 pm

Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 2666 Location: No Fun Town, USA

Short summary:

Eric S, DJ Stroky, Trevor, Michael [Lord of the Fries], David Hiller, Dan [Foo], and I were there.

We're definitely doing the Bryce Lewis Memorial Ride, we hope this week to get a better idea when exactly. We will definitely flyer Critical Mass this Friday, although perhaps with just a 'Time TBA' flyer. The ride will be from Cal Anderson Park to Red Square, with a stop at the accident site for candle lighting and the like.

David Hiller mentioned that October 2 is the date the Bike Master Plan officially starts the ratification process by the City Council (Oct 2 it gets approved by the relevant committee, week after by the whole council). Since there will be local news coverage on bikes, we're going to ride Fremont again on October 2. This will also be advertised at CM.

The plan is to repeat the first Fremont Ride. We didn't officially come up with a theme or some other idea to make the ride more 'fun' (as I promised Henry we would), so let me suggest one now: The Burke-Gilman Trail is still closed; there's still no bike lane on Stone Way. It must still be August. Ride for Fremont *again*. Dress up like it's the height of summer: Hawaiian shirts and shorts, sunglasses, pool floatie toys, whatever. Same route, same time, same meetup place, same goddam message until they get it right.

Finally, we're working on something for the Mayor's Climate Change Summit (or whatever it's called). Thursday, November 1, likely using the bike parts idea. Stay tuned for more details.

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snyd3282

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:08 pm

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It seemed like a good meeting. I took notes as did Greg.
Greg, please correct me if I have anything wrong here.

Highlights:

Memorial Ride
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Caleb is back on either Tuesday or Friday.
Bryce's parents are coming to Seattle, but we don't know when yet or if they want to be present for the ride.

The plan is for a Memorial Ride from Cal Anderson Park to Red Square, date TBD.

We want to flyer Critical Mass and let everyone know that this is coming up, but the date is still up in the air until we hear back from Caleb (Foo is our main contact there).

*** So, we need a flyer by Thursday and people to hand the flyers out at Critical Mass on Friday. ***

Dave Hiller has a long email message from a pedestrian who was on the sidewalk and saw the accident that confirms the wide turn and truck hitting cyclists (as opposed to fast moving cyclists getting in front of the truck) report that Foo got from the jogger eyewitness. This casts enough questions on the police report (we need to get a scan of that posted on here) that we should put these witnesses in touch with Tom Carr, the city attorney (http://www.seattle.gov/law/) and see if the family would also talk to Tom Carr with some reporters (for example Erica & Josh from the Stranger) present and ask the attorney's office to do an investigation.

The truck driver hasn't been cited, but Seattle doesn't cite most (?) drivers in fatalitiy accidents until almost a year later. (!)

Since this intersection has been identified to be in the top 20 problem intersections and the city hasn't done anything since, it could still be approximately liable in this case. If the city makes changes soon, it is also a sign of an admission of guilt, so they will be reluctant to fix anything without some pressure.

Next issue: Stone Way, "Where's the Burke?"
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Cascade is making progress behind the scenes, but we need to keep the pressure on. We think we can win this. When we did the first Stone Way ride, Hiller had most of the city council calling him and they were pissed. We turned some heads and we did make a difference, but there is some behind the scenes WFTery that still needs more pressure from us.

On October 1st, the City Council Transportation Committee is adopting the Bicycle Master Plan. The newspapers are already discussing editorials around bicycle facilities, everyone is going to have bicycles on their mind. If we do another Stone Way ride like the first one we did, especially from 5-6, (unless another bridge collapses in Minnesota) we will have live tv news coverage.

If anyone can be at the city hall at 10am to testify about the Bicycle Master Plan on Oct. 1 as well, that would be good...though if you do, do touch base with Hiller at Cascade so we can all be hitting them with the right message.

Trevor is going to update the flyers (I found the original route map and the publicity flyer, but he could also use a copy of the map PDF, day of ride handout, and/or handout for motorists).

Greg is going to update the SeattleLikesBikes website.

We need ideas on how to make this more interesting and fun.

Next issue: Mayor's Climate Summit
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Save up your bike parts. Some ideas are brewing.

n_claw

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:36 pm

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

Stone Way WTFery ride: costumes? It's almost October, and I have so many costume parties coming up that I think I've got something like six different costumes on hand, many of which are cycle-able.

As for the memorial ride, great! Once we get a date and a flyer, I've got corporate sponsorship and I'm always happy to distribute.

-N*

Eric_s

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:52 am

Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 1691 Location: the dirty south

So, the problem with making it "more fun" is that doing things like costumes becomes a distraction to observers. I'd say that instead of our normal bikey-ness, we should go t great lengths to look like a ped on a bike.

As far as fun, maybe we could have a contest to see who can hand out the most flyers, or turn it into an impromptu alleycat, or something, though we need to keep focused on riding legally.

Maybe we should just ride, then bail to the CIP, then go on tuesday ride.

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zanimal

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:40 am

Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 135 Location: West Seattle

I drove Stone Way for the first time this morning after dropping the dog off at the vet. I have to say, I think this road is even worse to drive than it is to bike. I was going South and I found it to be a confusing jumble of parking lanes, sharrows, turning lanes and bike lanes. They really screwed this up for everyone. I think it's only a matter of time before something really bad happens there.

Rogelio

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:34 am

Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 3092 Location: Pos, aya, por la Corona-Alta-Madera y que no.

I live near there and that was my first impression when I rode on Stone Way. I love complicated things and all but reheally, new users on Stone Way are bound to plow into something when they get confused and are all like "OMGZ, my lanes is ending? I'll swing out without looking!" without realizing they're partly on the bike lane and about to sideswipe some Subaru.

"But that bike lane wasn't there before..."

Right, but you came in on an arterial intersection where there aren't any bike lanes... look ahead for once and don't eat Phở while driving.

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the dreaded ben

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:32 am

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perhaps a ghost bike on stone saying a cyclist "will" be hit here.
i say it's time to go on the offensive.
literally, metaphorically, and offensively.

TrikerTrev

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:33 pm

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

the dreaded ben wrote:

perhaps a ghost bike on stone saying a cyclist "will" be hit here.
i say it's time to go on the offensive.
literally, metaphorically, and offensively.

i fucking second that idea!

zanimal and Rodelio have it right...which was my comment back to the Mayor/WDOT to their formed response letter most ov us got.

"have you DRIVEN this stretch of road lately?"

what is it, four different lane designs in a few mile section with the bare minimum of signage and education?!?

At this rate a cyclist is certainly GOING to be hit (hopefully not be killed) there.

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n_claw

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:15 pm

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

TrikerTrev wrote:

the dreaded ben wrote:

perhaps a ghost bike on stone saying a cyclist "will" be hit here.
i say it's time to go on the offensive.
literally, metaphorically, and offensively.

a cyclist already HAS been hit there, and recently at that! just prior to the 1st SLB ride. i haven't heard from him lately (he wasn't hurt TOO badly), but it is a matter of time before someone is killed, and i for one don't want it to happen.

so: ghostbike? let's do it. when? which intersection?

any bikes available? all i have are stripped frames.

-N*

n_claw

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:29 pm

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

UPDATE: i have received offer of a rideable Schwinn for a ghostcycle.

Sunday after 3pm work?

P/M me if you have space we can work in or would like to help. Pref space near Fremont.

Foo

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:52 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

I'll offer up my place again, I'm close to Stone. I know Dissident Songbird (Nygard) is pretty close to the area too.

I'm not entirely sold on putting a ghost bike up. I think it dilutes the ghostbike idea to put one in where a serious injury or death did not occur, especially so soon after Bryce. Perhaps a different color?

I'd like to make a big, BIG sign that's got sharrows, bike lanes, etc all over it along with all the yield lane arrangements. Have all that around the edge and in the center have in big type: "CONFUSED?"

On a second sign just down the road, have a message abou telling SDOT to pick one bike right-of-way and stick with it.

n_claw

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 517 Location: the only hill: Beacon

i want to put the bike up where that cyclist was hit. he is healing and planned to be back on a bike soon last we communicated, but i think it still drives the message home: it's already happen and it WILL happen again. how bad do you want it to be?

i don't want another death.

i don't want anybody hurt, either.

Foo

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:31 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

I was referring to the pre-emptive ghostbike Ben was talking about. I think it's a good idea but since it's not technically a ghostbike, I'd like to avoid confusion.

IIRC, the accident occurred fairly far South on Stone. The most aggregious lane asshattery is on Southbound Stone up at the North end of the street. I think a GC at the accident site is a good idea but it doesn't mesh too well with the markings we should put down - at least as I'm envisioning it, that is.

Foo

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:42 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

Quick followup to my offer for the use of my casa for the Sunday GC workshop:

I'm attending a wedding in Yakima this weekend. I whould be back fairly early Sunday but let me double-check that before we commit to my place.

Also, I have 4x 2'x4' pieces of sign-making material and lots of spray paint for use around the home and garage. I'll try to get some stencils ready by then. Also, if anyone has that clingy vinyl stuff, I'd love to try it out as a stencil material.

TrikerTrev

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:50 pm

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

foo,

to re-emphasize BtAH's point...it's time to go on the offensive.

There is NOT enough signage or education on this roadway to assist BOTH drivers AND bikers...IMO, anything would help. And i think that a GB there would serve a decent visual reminder, regardless.

If we could get this up before the next Stone(d) Way protest, that would be peachy.

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Foo

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:20 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

Trev, you of all people should know that I have no problem going on the offensive. I've been on this thing since day 1. I started assembling materials to... put up full-scale model street signs in my home and/or garden... a week ago. I might also mention that I've had a pretty luke warm response to my call for help on that up until now.

I just feel that, striking visual or no, the GCs should be reserved for the sites of actual accidents, not just to provide visual flair to a sign or traffic protest. There's two reasons for why I feel this way.

One is that if the ghostcycles start going up in places where no accident occurred, it dilutes the message and risks making GCs lose some of their ability to shock and send a powerful message. It's like the dilution of the purple heart - if the ghostcycles start representing potential accidents, there's no real visceral kick, no lasting impact on someone who sees it. Even worse, anyone who first sees a non-event GC is liable to assume that all other GCs are also non-events as well.

Second, especially in light of a recent fatality accident, it feels wrong to me to put a GC for anything but a real accident. It's like putting up a faux tombstone or a pile of flowers in a fake memorial. Even though we put up the ghostcycle, I feel that it really belongs to the person that was injured or killed, not us and that we don't have the right to use it for other purposes.

Go to the memorial site at night - there's a certain gravitas of that ghost cycle that goes way beyond the sum of its parts. I really feel pretty strongly that we should treat it with respect just like an actual tombstone or other memorial. Part of that respect, IMO, should be to reserve it for events of equal gravity.

I think Ben's idea of going on the offensive on Stone way is a great one. I just think that a white GC being used as a visual aid at any location other than where an actual accident occurred is potentially damaging to the whole concept of the ghostcycle as well as being just a touch disrespectful.

I think that some sort of striking bicycle visual where we put signs (in the home, for recreational purposes) is key. But let's do something different, a blood red bike, a bike that's been mangled or broken in half, etc. There's plenty of ways of getting the same message across that doesn't require a ghostcycle.

TrikerTrev

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:33 pm

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2303 Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!

i gotcha foo...no disrespect meant as you have been all over this shit like aaron on a noob girl.

anyway, i like the idea of a red bike insted of a white one...hell we could do saftey orange or yellow. I agree with your feeling that using a white ghost bike would detract form its origional message.

lets move with another. preemptive, bike image.

no go take a break, your NOT getting paid for this.

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Foo

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:57 pm

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 583

OK, but I'm getting time and a half from here on out.

If someone's got a truck (I share it with my parents and they needed it back last weekend) we could run over a bike and turn it into scrap. I'd offer my car for the same but I'm afraid my little econobox might lose to the bike.

Also, I'm rapidly narrowing in on details for the memorial ride. We should have a concrete plan by Wednesday (knock on wood). I was on the phone with Caleb, Jose and others for about 2 hours today and I'm going to be hearing back from folks tomorrow. It sounds as if Bryce's mother does want to participate in a memorial ride according to José - I'll hopefully have confirmation of that and a tentative date range tomorrow.

Speaking to Caleb, there was no particular destination on the ride of the accident. It turns out neither was enrolled at UW for fall classes(I'm not sure where I got that impression from, probably my own fevered imagination) but that they were getting ready to attend community college. Therefore, they weren't headed for Red square as we had thought earlier.

Caleb didn't have any strong preference for the ride route when I talked to him today but I asked him to think about it and to let us know if he decided on any places he wanted to go to or avoid.

I'm going to try and meet with him in person sometime this week - possibly as part of a joint meeting with Mike Lindbloom from the Times. It would be a fine chance for some of us to meet Caleb, pay our respects in person and to consult with him about plans.

As always, I'll post details as they are forthcoming.

derrickito

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:19 pm

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dont need a car to mangle a bike for ghostcycling, talk to joby, or better yet, see visual evidence from his avatar.

we have lots of ghostcycle building experience in this group.

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