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Aaron wrote:
"They're really confusing for both motorists and cars," Seattle Likes Bikes organizer Laura Rabuck said of the bike-and-chevron images painted in the right side of traffic lanes. "We don't want the mayor or City Council to think we're OK with the sharrows."
Wait just a minute.... I thought "we" just didn't want Sharrows on Stone. Weren't we only lobbying for a bike lane there? Sharrows are great on other streets. Streets like Beach Drive. Since they have been put in, I have not once been honked at! I think they let cars know that bikes can be there.
ride up and or down Stone Way...it SUCKS DONKEY DIK!!!
in 3 miles it goes from sharrow (with NO explanation to drivers what that means=useless!) to bike lane (sign is barely visible and configuration from 2 lanes with sharrow and turn lane into 1 with bike lane is very scary) to nothing to bike lanes at greenlake.
it's a cluster fuck...like the line painters were on crack and the sign painters were passed out!
my message ot the mayor, city counsel and WDOT (via letter) is to friggen CHOOSE SOMETHING and educate drivers and bikers about it. we all have too much to apy attention (bikers and drivers) to be second guessing what the fuck the road is doing or going to do every few blocks.
oh...not to mention the BGT still not open.
where have you been? we've been doing this for, like, 3 months!
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gsbarnes
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:27 pm
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Aaron wrote:
"They're really confusing for both motorists and cars," Seattle Likes Bikes organizer Laura Rabuck said of the bike-and-chevron images painted in the right side of traffic lanes. "We don't want the mayor or City Council to think we're OK with the sharrows."
Wait just a minute.... I thought "we" just didn't want Sharrows on Stone. Weren't we only lobbying for a bike lane there? Sharrows are great on other streets. Streets like Beach Drive. Since they have been put in, I have not once been honked at! I think they let cars know that bikes can be there.
I can see your point, but it's not clear that Laura meant "the sharrows everywhere" or "the sharrows on Stone Way". Journalists have a way of simplifying things without necessarily preserving the original meaning.
Our official position (if SLB can be said to have such a thing) is that we want the road diet as originally promised. I've got a half-assed issues page up on seattlelikesbikes.org that hopefully explains this better, but it still needs a lot of work.
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lantius
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:50 pm
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TrikerTrev wrote:
...in 3 miles it goes from sharrow (with NO explanation to drivers what that means=useless!)
i'd like to point out that seemingly-logical argument is untrue. seriously. read the sf report on sharrows. even though only two out of seven motorists knew what it meant and about half the cyclists, it still changed how people behaved. that's why it's better than the bike-in-a-house or other treatments, people don't know what it means but it makes them change their behavior. cyclists will tend to ride further away from the curb (over the center of the sharrow marking) and motorists will tend to give them more room (to the far edge of the sharrow marking).
that said, sharrows don't make alot of sense on a 4-lane arterial up a hill. they make plenty of sense when combined with a climbing lane uphill and a wide lane downhill on a two lane arterial with a turn lane... like stone way was supposed to be the whole way.
laura
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:49 pm
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That was one statement out of an easy 5-10 minute conversation and also emphasizes my earlier post that we need key people, the same damn key people, to be talking to media over and over with the same 4 (or so) sentences so no journalist or reporter can mess it up. That could avoid some of this.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:02 pm
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lantius wrote:
TrikerTrev wrote:
...in 3 miles it goes from sharrow (with NO explanation to drivers what that means=useless!)
i'd like to point out that seemingly-logical argument is untrue. seriously. read the sf report on sharrows. even though only two out of seven motorists knew what it meant and about half the cyclists, it still changed how people behaved. that's why it's better than the bike-in-a-house or other treatments, people don't know what it means but it makes them change their behavior. cyclists will tend to ride further away from the curb (over the center of the sharrow marking) and motorists will tend to give them more room (to the far edge of the sharrow marking).
that said, sharrows don't make alot of sense on a 4-lane arterial up a hill. they make plenty of sense when combined with a climbing lane uphill and a wide lane downhill on a two lane arterial with a turn lane... like stone way was supposed to be the whole way.
why that may work in San Fran, my experience on that road is less then perfect. What was the police blog Foo posted again?
TO be perfectly honest, I don't give a damn what they pick, just stick with ONE concept. Sharrows~bike lanes~nothing~bike lanes, all in a few miles is overkill and confusing. Sure people will get used to it, it still doesnt mean it makes sense.
...and some signs stating its okay for bikes to be there would be spiffy too.
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