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So I snapped my bar the other day and I was emailing some people to get assurances that bars were certified for cx use... control tech has delivered the best response from any company ---EVER--, I missed the bad grammar... it's the second part of that last paragraph that is the most illuminating:
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Dear John,
Thank you very much for your inquiry
and sorry for late reply due to the Interbike cycling show during Sep. 26-Sep. 28.
I am Sophia from Controltech who is very happy to answer your any question.
For your information, all Controltech components passed the test of EN standard which come from European New Standard this year
before exporting all components.Besides, we have our own laboratary to make the test. For now, formidable bar already passed the Road standard of EN test,therefore, it is no problem to be used for Road purpose.Here I would like re-confirm if your meaing of cyclo-cross is for road racing or having other meaing ? Could you clarify it ? than I can reply you furthermore,thank you!
Look forward to hearing from you soon.
Best regards,
Sophia/ Controltech
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. For now, formidable bar already passed the Road standard of EN test,therefore, it is no problem to be used for Road purpose.Here I would like re-confirm if your meaing of cyclo-cross is for road racing or having other meaing ?
Well, per the UCI regs:
5.1.012 A Cyclo-cross course shall include road, country and forest paths and meadowland alternating in such a way as to ensure changes in the pace of the race and allowing riders to recuperate after difficult sections.
5.1.013 The course shall be usable in all circumstances, whatever the weather conditions.
Clay or easily flooded areas and agricultural land should be avoided.
5.1.017 The course must form a closed circuit of a length of a minimum length of 2.5 km and maximum 3.5 km, of which at least 90% shall be ridable.
5.1.020 The start section must be on firm ground, and preferably on surfaced road. It must have a length of at least 200 metres and a width of at least 6 metres.
Sounds like a road application to me! ;-)
john
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:51 pm
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I feel so much better now:
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From: "sophia-CT"
Date: October 1, 2007 10:30:24 PM PDT
To: "John Murphy"
Dear John,
Thank you so much for your kind further confirmation.
You must be an excellent racer in cyclo-cross,right?
I have asked our R&D manager about your question today.
Yes, it is no problem to be used in cyclo-cross.
If you have any other question,please feel free to let me know,thanks!
(note, Foo, I am not dissing all chinese manufactured products, some stuff is good, some stuff is less than good... however, when I am bunnyhopping off the curb on the west seattle bridge next to a semi on a rainy morning with 30 lbs of books on my bike... remembering this exchange will not fill me with bottomless faith in their operation. Anyway... control tech ain't a local washington owned business anymore... )
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No doubt. China goods are really hit or miss, some are outstanding, some are pure shite. (sadly still more of the latter than the former but it seems to be improving over time) My understanding is that it varies very heavily on the specific factory in China that produces a particular product.
One of the big problems (highlighted by your exchange) is that the Chinese manufacturers may have good engineers but have only a vague idea (if any) what the product is used for. Without that knowledge, the cost and corner-cutting so rampant there will tend to lead to products that are below spec in many ways that are both potentially dangerous and hard to spot.
Chinese goods are fine for things like MP3 players that you don't rely on for your survival. For bike components, the best choices are either to go with expensive US/Japan/European manufacturing or heavy and overengineered Chinese components. The exception would be things made by trustworthy larger companies - they generally have the money to invest in Q&A that helps to keep the quality at an acceptable level.
john
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:56 pm
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for the record, this is the rip in the bar that I am replacing...
that dreaded carbon fib...er...that dreaded aluminum...
(I'd be very interested Mr. stanglor if you have ever seen a wing bar rip like that in a sprint.)
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john wrote:
for the record, this is the rip in the bar that I am replacing...
that dreaded carbon fib...er...that dreaded aluminum...
(I'd be very interested Mr. stanglor if you have ever seen a wing bar rip like that in a sprint.)
Jeezus creeping shit! I have Ritchey bars on my bike, I hope that I never get to experience them shearing/tearing like that. Triple-butted, so they said on the packaging. Maybe I'll go back to Nitto...
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langston
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:38 am
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Uncle Martha wrote:
john wrote:
for the record, this is the rip in the bar that I am replacing...
that dreaded carbon fib...er...that dreaded aluminum...
(I'd be very interested Mr. stanglor if you have ever seen a wing bar rip like that in a sprint.)
Jeezus creeping shit! I have Ritchey bars on my bike, I hope that I never get to experience them shearing/tearing like that. Triple-butted, so they said on the packaging. Maybe I'll go back to Nitto...
yikes. I have Ritchey bars also. John, that bunnyhop application you speak of is why in the mornings I ride the path around and under the Spokane St bridge, instead of fording 4 lanes of heavy traffic. Slower, but not nearly as suicidal.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:39 am
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I have been crashing and bunny hopping my Salsa bars for years with no affect ::swish!::.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:51 am
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SeditiousCanary wrote:
I have been crashing and bunny hopping my Salsa bars for years with no affect ::swish!::.
Salsa's are pretty tough. Though I have to say that one of the bars I snapped was the Moto-Ace IIRC. I also snapped some cheap crap old French bar. I really should inspect my current bar, or possibly replace it.
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john
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:48 pm
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langston wrote:
yikes. I have Ritchey bars also. John, that bunnyhop application you speak of is why in the mornings I ride the path around and under the Spokane St bridge, instead of fording 4 lanes of heavy traffic. Slower, but not nearly as suicidal.
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yer kidding right?
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