Talk about feeling like a dick. I didn't expect the idea to be completely shot down but after thinking about it a bit more it makes sense. I'm not a hand-holding free-hugs kind of guy but I do like to take part in events that bring awareness to bikes and any chance that I get to ride in traffic I'll take, especially on Friday afternoons.

Baring some of the completely stupid shit that goes down at CM it is a good time.

Talk about feeling like a dick. I didn't expect the idea to be completely shot down but after thinking about it a bit more it makes sense. I'm not a hand-holding free-hugs kind of guy but I do like to take part in events that bring awareness to bikes and any chance that I get to ride in traffic I'll take, especially on Friday afternoons.

Baring some of the completely stupid shit that goes down at CM it is a good time.

man, that's the stupidest, most fucking retarded god damn thing I've ever heard in my whole fucking life. What the fuck is wrong with people? What part of almost getting killed by retards on a daily basis ever makes anyone think that this would get anything accomplished?

Good idea, hamburgers and beer!

I can see how Critical Manners would come across as a protest against CM.

Hey Remington, check out my new avatar...

Does this imply that you think CM accomplishes something? CM does more to raise blood pressure than it does to raise awareness. If you ride CM, do it because it's fun not because you think it is "raising awareness" or doing your fellow cyclists a favor, it isn't.

"We need radical activism so that the moderates aren't ignored as a fringe element." - Tooker Gomberg

The critical Manners ride doesn't sound particularly fun to me and I have no intention of doing it, but calling it "the stupidest, most fucking retarded god damn thing I've ever heard in my whole fucking life" seems a bit of a stretch. It may not do a lot of good, but it's certainly a lot less likely to do harm to people's opinion of cyclists than CM does.

Does this imply that you think CM accomplishes something? CM does more to raise blood pressure than it does to raise awareness. If you ride CM, do it because it's fun not because you think it is "raising awareness" or doing your fellow cyclists a favor, it isn't.

The critical Manners ride doesn't sound particularly fun to me and I have no intention of doing it, but calling it "the stupidest, most fucking retarded god damn thing I've ever heard in my whole fucking life" seems a bit of a stretch. It may not do a lot of good, but it's certainly a lot less likely to do harm to people's opinion of cyclists than CM does.

I would much rather a driver come up behind me and think 'Shit, a cyclist, those guys are crazy, I'd better give him extra room so he doesn't get pissed at me.' Than to think they can fly past me full speed a foot away with confidence that I'm going to follow whatever their dumb ass thinks the "rules" are.

Laura, you bitch. :)

You know who the real bitch is? PJ Diddy for giving the cleaver away. Now it's gone. *sniff* We need another ride to the Grocery Outlet for more Halloween supplies.

You know who the real bitch is? PJ Diddy for giving the cleaver away. Now it's gone. *sniff* We need another ride to the Grocery Outlet for more Halloween supplies.

Real cleavers. Hello?

It's a fucking war for the roads out there and if you think quietly following the rules does any good at all, find one of those people with a "Bring the Troops home" bumper sticker, circa 2003, and ask them how that's going for them.

Maybe I'm a little more radical than most, but whatever.

Car: MOVE! MOVE *HONK* *HONK* FUCK!

Speaking of bringing the troops home, maybe you should drop the neocon's a line and ask how the "radical" confrontational approach works.

I'll give you a hint, it doesn't. It just makes things worse. If you interact with cars expecting to find angry assholes that is exactly what you are going to find.

If you really think that it's a war for the roads out there, we are all FUCKED. There are a lot more cars than bikes on the roads and they are a lot bigger than us. Pushing for confrontation is a pretty dumb way to go about it. I'm not saying bend over and take it, but if you don't treat drivers with some respect there is no way they are going to treat you with any.

Pushing for confrontation is a pretty dumb way to go about it. I'm not saying bend over and take it, but if you don't treat drivers with some respect there is no way they are going to treat you with any.

i hate you and valid points, reasonable thought process, and poignant insights.

for all it's ups and downs and wrongs and rights.... one thing that critical mass does well, is make people that are new to biking feel pretty safe

it's a fun, and relatively safe environment for cyclists, seasoned or otherwise.

phbbbttt, henckels are junk

stupid j-holes with phones in one hand and their McBurger in the other.

I just entered the realm of Wüsthof, but some Henkels are quite good.