Friday night I got hit by a mirror while riding up Stone directly over the sharrows.
Chased the fucker down, was catching up to him on his left, but he swerved left and I had to avoid being pushed into the oncoming lane. He took a side street and fled.
I was late and pissed and short on sleep... looking back, I should have reported it.
laura
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:40 pm
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I wonder how many incidents occur without being reported, thereby providing SPD, SDOT, and the city with an incomplete/inaccurate sense of our "commuting climate."
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ever since i got hit on lakeview, i take the full lane when going through the underpass. it's an area with a physical barrier, which means really really don't pass. about 25% of the time i get a dude riding my ass and honking, one time attempting to pass anyhow.
god damn i am getting tired of this..
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:03 pm
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Have you read some of the comments to the article?
It really sucks that drivers can justify hitting a bicycle with a car. That it is due to cyclists taking up a lane...
Just blows me away.
Had a 50ish year old woman swerve at about 20 degrees at me a few weeks ago.
I think part of the hatred is they know we are doing the right thing, and they feel guilty because they know how wrong SOV's are. Almost all of the angry people out there are SOV's. In a fucked up way... it is kinda comforting... as I really believe the source of their anger is that they know human powered transport is better for everyone.
We will win eventually, the machine is starting to rattle in it's self consumption. it is just going to take a lot of our blood sprayed on the road and bones ground under the wheels before it happens.
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"The police report does not indicate whether anyone received a citation."
'scuse me?!? WTF! Witnesses state "the driver made a "blatant swerve" at the bicyclist. She thought the motorist was "intentionally trying to strike or intimidate" him." and thats not enough for at least an arrest?
If I were to ANYWHERE and threaten someone with a gun, especially for no good reason, i'm in deep shit. But it's OKAY for a driver to pull shit shit?
Good thing it wasnt me being threatened, this story would have a very different ending. I take that kind of aggression seriously and will defend myself any way i can (which does not include running away).
fucking asshats
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:20 am
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john wrote:
Have you read some of the comments to the article?
I can't bring myself to read the soundoff. I think it would end with me standing on my deck and shooting at random SUVs on 99.
All I can say is keep your U-locks close at hand, remember license plate numbers, and report shit like this EVERY TIME. According to the Washington State Patrol, the proper way to report any road rage incidents against bikes, whether actual assault occurs or not, is to call 9-1-1 immediately.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:31 am
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Where I come from, that's called vehicular assault...
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:20 pm
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Well just to weigh in here, I have a friend who was at a Mariners game and when riding home from the stadium was run into the curb by a motorcycle riding police officerso that he could give him a ticket for not wearing a helmet and I could use this as a lesson in run on sentences.
I tried to get him to report it and he didn't but I think that this attitude may be why a citation may or may not have been issued.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:56 pm
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Raindog wrote:
According to the Washington State Patrol, the proper way to report any road rage incidents against bikes, whether actual assault occurs or not, is to call 9-1-1 immediately.
I had a friend get hit on his bike in Ballard by the Olympic Health Club last February. The accident was entirely the fault of the driver, a terrified teenage female who refused to roll down her window or share any contact information with my friend. In her defense, she also didn't flee the scene. Friend calls 911. Waits. No one shows up. Calls 911 again, waits. No one shows up. It's night. It's cold. It's raining. One more call and he's told it is a busy night and the chances of an officer responding to a "non-critical issue" were slim to none. Seeing as how he wasn't injured, it was put in a non-critical queue of some sort.
This may be an exceptional situation, but I can imagine that had any of us called 911 this past Saturday for a non-injury bike v. car incident, the police wouldn't have gotten around to it. Too many other Halloween things going on.
If it's a slow Tuesday night in Magnolia, sure the on-duty officer will show up, but for other nights? Make it a situation with the u-lock or take it up the ass and keep on riding? Neither of those appeal to me.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:03 pm
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In contrast:
A few months back I was riding across the Aurora Bridge (on the sidewalk) when a school bus passed me and one of the kids threw a bottle and hit me in the head.
I chased the bus down to Stone Way, made the driver pull over and called 911. 15 minutes later 2 cop cars and three policemen showed up. They boarded the bus and played good cop/bad cop with the kids for about 30 minutes until one of them finally admitted it.
The cops were actually really nice to me and said that I had done the right thing by reporting it. In the end I decided against pressing charges and accepted an appology from the kid.
Mostly I wanted to scare the shit out of them, which the cops ended up doing by threatening to take the entire bus full of kids down to the station.
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jeff wrote:
Mostly I wanted to scare the shit out of them, which the cops ended up doing by threatening to take the entire bus full of kids down to the station.
Awesome.
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jeff wrote:
Mostly I wanted to scare the shit out of them, which the cops ended up doing by threatening to take the entire bus full of kids down to the station.
fuckin'goodonyamate!
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:09 pm
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At the Seattle City Council hearing of the Bicycle Master Plan this morning there was a discussion on reporting of Bicycle "accidents" since the Bicycle Master Plan has a clause stating a goal of reducing the number of overall accidents reported.
In the ensuing discussion, one comment was that cyclists could pick up an incident report form at the police stations and report incidents at a later date. They are also looking at gathering data from the Fire Dept. instead of the PD since the FD reports more quickly to injury incidents than the PD does. There was also a suggestion that the city should come up with a web-based bicycle & pedestrian injury reporting system.
This might be a good topic for letter writing campaing to our council members.
I'll try to get a copy of that police incident report form and post it somewhere.
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snyd3282 wrote:
At the Seattle City Council hearing of the Bicycle Master Plan this morning there was a discussion on reporting of Bicycle "accidents" since the Bicycle Master Plan has a clause stating a goal of reducing the number of overall accidents reported.
In the ensuing discussion, one comment was that cyclists could pick up an incident report form at the police stations and report incidents at a later date. They are also looking at gathering data from the Fire Dept. instead of the PD since the FD reports more quickly to injury incidents than the PD does. There was also a suggestion that the city should come up with a web-based bicycle & pedestrian injury reporting system.
This might be a good topic for letter writing campaing to our council members.
I'll try to get a copy of that police incident report form and post it somewhere.
How about they play a game called "hide and go fuck you're self"?!?
Why the fuck should we have to go "get a form" after the fact? Do my taxes not pay for the same service regardless of the form of transportation I choose?
If theres a car accident and folks get injured would it be acceptable for them to offer this as a valid alternative? I don't fucking think so!
It's a gawddamn joke that they toss these on the table as valid ideas when the purpose of reducing bicycle related accident reports would come from EDUCATION to the general driving public.
Who's side are they on anyway...wait, don't answer that.
i'm sure that they'd get a reduction of reports if they redirect their process and follow it with the lack of public education, like the Sharrows (of mystery).
I'm tired of writing these choadmunchers! They don't listen and they're only in it for their own interests, not mine/yours/ours.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:07 pm
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Yes, I agree Trevor, EDU-FUCKING-CATION is needed!
Quote:
. A Seattle Bicycle Club spokesman has said he believes many drivers are unaware of "sharrows."
Well, of course they are, they are all on the phone not paying attention anyway. They can't be bothered.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:19 pm
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laura wrote:
Make it a situation with the u-lock or take it up the ass and keep on riding? Neither of those appeal to me.
Sometimes you have to defend yourself. I'd rather see it happen with U-locks than guns, but hell, whatever works for you. They're bringing a car to the fight, so what have you got? But, to be clear, I also believe that if you're pulling the U-lock it had better be because the driver has already made it a situation where self-defense is necessary. Otherwise get the license plate, file the report later, and get on with your life (incidentally, SPD non-emergency number is 625-5011; put it in your cell phone for drunk dialing on a Thursday night).
Sounds like there's inconsistent results with calling 9-1-1 (OMG, surprise face), but I don't think that means we should just take it from these drivers and not even try anymore. Every call gets logged and they publish statistics on them, including response times.
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TrikerTrev wrote:
snyd3282 wrote:
I'll try to get a copy of that police incident report form and post it somewhere.
How about they play a game called "hide and go fuck you're self"?!?
Why the fuck should we have to go "get a form" after the fact? Do my taxes not pay for the same service regardless of the form of transportation I choose?
If theres a car accident and folks get injured would it be acceptable for them to offer this as a valid alternative? I don't fucking think so!
My friend had her apartment burglarized twice in two weeks. Each time it took the police more than 3 hours to respond. She was forced to wait in her apartment that had been broken into (once with a glass door that had been smashed) without touching anything to preserve any possible fingerprints, while the police took their time to respond.
When I was driving, sometime in 2003 or 2004 I rear ended another car. I called the police and once they heard that it was a non-injury accident, they told me not to bother them and that they wouldn't send an officer out.
It feels like our police department equally ignores everyone. ...but then I don't blame them that much, so many of our officers are doing peacekeeping duty in Iraq that we have a lot of empty squad cars around.
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I find it muy divertido that this forum is complaining about a lack of police presence in any way shape or form.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:35 pm
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Stanglor wrote:
I find it muy divertido that this forum is complaining about a lack of police presence in any way shape or form.
There are two factions developing: the pro-advocacy crowd and the pro-horsecock crowd.
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Razi wrote:
I posted as "surly" under this pi soundoff.
Man oh man some people are fucktards.
why, oh why would you do that to yourself?
wouldn't it be easier and less painful to go slam a door on you dick?
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Razi
Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:58 am
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TrikerTrev wrote:
Razi wrote:
I posted as "surly" under this pi soundoff.
Man oh man some people are fucktards.
why, oh why would you do that to yourself?
wouldn't it be easier and less painful to go slam a door on you dick?
It really does not bother me that much. My points are pretty consistent, and it sure as hell beats working. Trying to inject some measured discourse into a forum that tends to get hysterical is a worthy effort, even if the effort is Sisyphean.
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Razi wrote:
It really does not bother me that much. My points are pretty consistent, and it sure as hell beats working. Trying to inject some measured discourse into a forum that tends to get hysterical is a worthy effort, even if the effort is Sisyphean.
you're taking the totally wrong tack. You should rickroll and flame and troll as much as possible.
e.g.:
"HEY I found pictures of what all you non bike riders do on your off time:
cool driving"
Or:
"Hey, Remember Dean Trier, who wrote that great article? I found his awesome site where you all can join and check out some more great articles: http://www.lemonparty.org
I expect that, given the typical brain function of your average "P.I. Flamewar" douchebag, this will elevate the discourse.
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chunts
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 pm
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[quote="snyd3282"]
TrikerTrev wrote:
My friend had her apartment burglarized twice in two weeks. Each time it took the police more than 3 hours to respond. She was forced to wait in her apartment that had been broken into (once with a glass door that had been smashed) without touching anything to preserve any possible fingerprints, while the police took their time to respond.
I had the same thing happen, but the cop didn't even bother fingerprinting and pretty much told me there was nothing they could do. the big secret is the SPD is understaffed, and there's enough "real" (read: violent, real-time) crime to keep most of them busy. that's why it takes 3 hours to get someone to a bugurlary scene and why hardly anyone gets tickets (cyclists or drivers) for traffic infractions in the city.
what can you do? complain. a friend of mine had a cop tell them exactly that when he bitched about their response time. the cop said "complain to the department. the more they hear about it, the more likely they are to fix it."
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:01 pm
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laura wrote:
I wonder how many incidents occur without being reported, thereby providing SPD, SDOT, and the city with an incomplete/inaccurate sense of our "commuting climate."
Tons and tons I'm guessing. I've had 4 crashes since April (all my fault unfortunately) and the only people I report this to is this community via bitching and griping about my inadequate bicycling skills.
SDOT needs to hear more from us about how bicycling isn't safe enough. I'll be out at the Bryce Lewis Memorial Ride to bike for him as well as demostrating for safer bicycling facilities in Seattle.
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Eric_s wrote:
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"Hey, Remember Dean Trier, who wrote that great article? I found his awesome site where you all can join and check out some more great articles: http://www.lemonparty.org
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