...okay, I think I've had more than my 15 seconds of fame here.
Eric, you did an awesome job in that on camera interview! Thank you!
I still can't believe how much police presence we had, for the first loop the police blocked traffic much more than we ever could have. There may have actually been as many police officers than cyclists. My count of cyclists at the start was 43 and I remember seeing at least 4 pairs of motorcycle officers and at least half a dozen bicycle officers.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:33 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
...okay, I think I've had more than my 15 seconds of fame here.
Eric, you did an awesome job in that on camera interview! Thank you!
I still can't believe how much police presence we had, for the first loop the police blocked traffic much more than we ever could have. There may have actually been as many police officers than cyclists. My count of cyclists at the start was 43 and I remember seeing at least 4 pairs of motorcycle officers and at least half a dozen bicycle officers.
that makes me wonder how many were sitting in the shadows with their tazers set to stun. Obviously they were expecting more "protesting".
it woulda been damn ironic if one of the bike cops ate shit on the tracks...
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:04 am
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
freelywheely wrote:
...the SPD Intelligence Unit probably knew from trolling our local site...
wow, then they're dumber than i thought!
DOUG.
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:32 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2007Posts: 117Location: Wallingford
The Q13 story says there were "about 20 cyclists". Are they referring only to the bike cops? There were at least 50 of us out there (not counting SPD).
Eric_s
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:34 am
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my glassed were all fogged up. Next time, I'm going to make Ben talk so that we can hear Minnesota on our TV.
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DOUG.
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:41 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2007Posts: 117Location: Wallingford
It looks like THIS is the extent of the Seattle Times coverage.
ro
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:06 am
Joined: 29 Jun 2007Posts: 317
I have seen four reports and it seems we had between 20 and 200 hundred(the amount the police said they were planning to show up). More like 40-45.
And on fox coverage there I am the last bicyclist once again, but this time followed by two motorcycle cops. What a motorcade.
The other interesting thing was how the motorcycle cop told a car that was in the trolley lane and following to close to a bicyclist to stop his car. They then told him to give more room to the bicyclist, that was good.
n_claw
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:08 am
Joined: 02 Jul 2007Posts: 517Location: the only hill: Beacon
I have seen four reports and it seems we had between 20 and 200 hundred(the amount the police said they were planning to show up). More like 40-45.
And on fox coverage there I am the last bicyclist once again, but this time followed by two motorcycle cops. What a motorcade.
The other interesting thing was how the motorcycle cop told a car that was in the trolley lane and following to close to a bicyclist to stop his car. They then told him to give more room to the bicyclist, that was good.
yeah, there were a few cars not willing to share but over all i went ok
glad noone fell or had there tire stuck
its hard to believe that most people think we are totally against the SLUT as opposed to just being able to have room and understanding to share the road with cyclists on that route
I had fun, my fingertips did not
adrian
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:51 am
Joined: 22 Sep 2007Posts: 3Location: Eastlake
Last night was fun. Thanks Kevin for giving me a flyer at Fast Friday. We did get heckled a few times by SLUT riders.
"Realllll impressive" The lady kept saying hiding behind her husband. I didn't get it really. I told her I was going to let the air out of her Hummer's tires.
Any ways, thanks! I hope it makes a difference.
n_claw
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:00 am
Joined: 02 Jul 2007Posts: 517Location: the only hill: Beacon
In recent developments, Patricia (who broke her jaw in two places and is being sued for $1000 after breaking the tail light on a car when she crashed on the SLUT tracks) is filing a lawsuit against the city to ensure action on this line as well as more appropriate planning on future lines. Can't even tell you how happy this makes me!
She wants folks to join her, so holla if you're crashed on the SLUT tracks and wanna sue the city, I'll put you in touch. I'm hoping she adds Paul Allen & Vulcan to the suit, as well.
Thanks to all the folks who stopped and talked to pedestrians/SLUT riders, as well as dialoguing with the media, you were articulate, informed, and AWESOME! (especially Michael!)
Okay, I think I'm going to go crawl back under my desk now.
<3, N*
Stanglor
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:20 am
Joined: 28 Jan 2006Posts: 555Location: Wallingford
Am I the only one that feels like this is a little ridiculous? People are now suing the city because they can't cross tracks without crashing...
I'm sorry that girl broke her jaw, the SLUT (while having the best acronym for public transportation ever) is a next to worthless worthless waste of money and probably could have been designed better, BUT, it really bothers me when people don't take responsibility or accountability. Unless a city employee literally threw a rail in front of someones bike then perhaps we should learn how to ride over them without crashing. I went down there to buy one of the Ride the SLUT T-shirts for my roommate and was thoroughly unimpressed with the difficulty posed by the SLUT tracks.
I just wanna type SLUT one more time
SLUT
k I'm done
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Eric_s
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:28 am
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
Stanglor wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like this is a little ridiculous?
(big ass cut)
I went down there to buy one of the Ride the SLUT T-shirts for my roommate and was thoroughly unimpressed with the difficulty posed by the SLUT tracks.
Obviously, this isn't that tough to deal with, especially since no one crashed last night on the rails, and that was group riding of the worst kind. There were even motorcycle cops in the mix.
However, not everyone is a skilled rider, and I don't think asking the city to put up a warning sign or 12 is an unreasonable request.
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jeff
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:36 am
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If the activists in .83 want to protest let 'em have their fun. People get off on having their panties twisted, that's for sure.
For a group that prides itself on being a "drinking club, with a biking problem" a find it a bit silly that they'd be more worried about crashing on train tracks then crashing while drunk.
Perhaps the .83 activist should start lobbying the city for some signs that say "Beware of drunken cyclists."
henry
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:38 am
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Stanglor wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like this is a little ridiculous? People are now suing the city because they can't cross tracks without crashing...
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with Jamie on this forum. They are train tracks. Avoid them. Having a "protest" to demand signs just makes you another fat lady suing Mcdonald's for hot coffee.
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ksep
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:44 am
Joined: 27 Jan 2007Posts: 1879Location: Westlake
Tell me if this anology floats.
When you go to Jiffy Lube there's a hole in the floor. If you drive carefully and pay attention it's no problem to line up your tires and not fall in. But if you get distracted or make a mistake you can be in trouble fast.
Would the city allow a street to be built with such a hole running down the length of it?
P.S. There was a guy that fell on the ride, he was on a mountain bike, older guy. After the ride & rain I went to ride the slut with my bike and on my way to the station while crossing the track at about a 80 degree angle my rear wheel went out from under me and I had to put a foot down... that's twice now.
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henry
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:52 am
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
Joined: 29 Jan 2007Posts: 117Location: Wallingford
Everyone who wants these tracks running down the curb lane on Eastlake to the U District raise your motherfucking hand.
If this ride, our "whining" and Patricia's lawsuit prevent Mayor McCheese and the McDonaldland City Council from approving a ridiculous design for a streetcar extension, then I fully support all acts of cyclist outrage.
lantius
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:13 am
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
henry wrote:
TRAIN TRACKS ARE HAAAAAARRRRRDDD!!!!!
obviously, i mean if they weren't hard would you still go out of your way to avoid them? your commute's going to get even more convoluted when you have to pussyfoot away from eastlake and roosevelt when they extend the SLUT northward.
snyd3282
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:24 am
could suck the fun out of a blowjobJoined: 23 Jul 2007Posts: 588Location: Ballard / Fremont
henry wrote:
Stanglor wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like this is a little ridiculous? People are now suing the city because they can't cross tracks without crashing...
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with Jamie on this forum. They are train tracks. Avoid them. Having a "protest" to demand signs just makes you another fat lady suing Mcdonald's for hot coffee.
Name any other section of road with the same length where as many cyclists have broken bones in the same amount of time. I'll gladly protest the flaws in that section of road too.
This is more like suing McDonalds because your coffee cup self destructed in your lap giving you third degree burns over your entire leg requiring skin grafts, a dozen other people had the same problem, you found that the executives knew about a flaw in the coffee cup and didn't do anything about it, you urged the executives to warn other customers of the risk or fix the flaw in the cup design and they refused.
Signs are a minimal remediation step.
What we really want is for SDOT and the mayor's office to listen to their bike staff who told them that this would be a problem several years ago and who have been continually trying to get them to keep this from hurting people. When they expand the streetcar, we want them to think about bicycle interactions in the planning phase.
derrickito
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:30 am
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all this talk of mcdonals makes me realize how hungry i am right now.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:31 am
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
lantius wrote:
what the fuck is wrong with you people. asking the city to put up a fucking sign saying "dear cyclists, these tracks may cause you to fall down and break your pelvis" seems pretty fucking reasonable. also having them mark an alternate route that gets you to the same place.
i'm not upset at the SLUT tracks because i'm worried about how the tracks will impact me directly as a cyclist, fuck i've ridden on interstates and on aurora in the snow with a loaded trailer. and i distinctly remember some of your pussy asses (sketchy) complaining about the ride out on mlk south.
if you're going to take something that until recently was a major bicycle arterial and a very logical way to get into downtown and make it a hazard the least they could do is add proper warning and alternate route signage, investigate some remediation options (flange filler), and not do the same stupid thing - putting tracks in the outside lane - when they extend it.
not everyone has access to a community like this. people who come visit the city, folks who just start commuting or are otherwise new, people who don't ride their bikes regularly enough to be confident with a horizontal bunny-hop in traffic but need to go somewhere in SLU, etc. just because most of us here are totally fine doesn't mean it's not egregious that the city thought it was appropriate to hang cyclists out to dry and not do a single fucking thing to ameliorate the situation.
i agree with this wholeheartedly and thus i went last night, but that was the saddest fucking thing i have ever seen.
we turned ourselves into a fucking whining sniveling self-intrest group.
1. 40 fucking people, more people have posted on this thread. seriously 40 fucking people. we came across as a fucking joke.
2. no one at the fucking meeting point at 5. i rode up and was greeted by a dozen bike cops and no protesters.
3. people riding like idiots.
4. never once road anywhere near a fucking trolly.
5. had a meet up time that any reasonable person couldn't make.
i didn't want to be on the news because i was fucking embarassed to be involved.
fucking embarassed.
if, and i mean IF, we do another protest of anything, it better turn out way better than the last two.
but i strongly suggest thinking about all of this before we get all happy with the fucking press releases.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 am
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
derrickito wrote:
all this talk of mcdonals makes me realize how hungry i am right now.
Please, Derrick, tell us what you just ate.
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MyNameIsJeff
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:53 am
BOOSH!Joined: 17 Jul 2007Posts: 2042Location: Nearest bar.
I can't wait to go flatten some pennies!!
City investment returned in full!
DOUG.
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:56 am
Joined: 29 Jan 2007Posts: 117Location: Wallingford
Quote:
if, and i mean IF, we do another protest of anything, it better turn out way better than the last two. but i strongly suggest thinking about all of this before we get all happy with the fucking press releases.
I'm not too into labeling these things as "protests". We really weren't protesting anything and I made sure to tell people that I am NOT anti-SLUT. To me, these are more awareness and education rides. (Some well-coiffed older guy waiting for his SLUT asked a group of us what sharrows were, for example.)
If drivers who regularly use Westlake discovered for the first time last night that bikes will now be using the inner lane, then good for us.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:58 am
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
lantius wrote:
henry wrote:
TRAIN TRACKS ARE HAAAAAARRRRRDDD!!!!!
obviously, i mean if they weren't hard would you still go out of your way to avoid them? your commute's going to get even more convoluted when you have to pussyfoot away from eastlake and roosevelt when they extend the SLUT northward.
I hear the Montlake Bridge is nice.
Speaking of which, I wonder what they would do to the University Bridge deck to add trolley tracks. If you thought the bridge deck was sketchy now in the rain, wait until they add tracks.
STP carnage awaits.
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Stef
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:03 pm
Joined: 15 Nov 2007Posts: 121
DOUG. wrote:
Quote:
if, and i mean IF, we do another protest of anything, it better turn out way better than the last two. but i strongly suggest thinking about all of this before we get all happy with the fucking press releases.
I'm not too into labeling these things as "protests". We really weren't protesting anything and I made sure to tell people that I am NOT anti-SLUT. To me, these are more awareness and education rides. (Some well-coiffed older guy waiting for his SLUT asked a group of us what sharrows were, for example.)
If drivers who regularly use Westlake discovered for the first time last night that bikes will now be using the inner lane, then good for us.
thats how I feel, Im not anti-slut but if there isnt gonna be a new route until late 2008 having signs so motorists and cyclists are aware that they need to share in that route is a good idea
In sacramento they have a great light rail system, granted it stretches between about 4 cities and usually travels on one way streets and or on old existing rail road systems
I didnt find the tracks to be to difficult but ive been riding a bike regularly for years, if anything the potholes and crap ass roads made my ass hurt
Im all for cyclists and motorists coexisting but too many times either its driver error or cyclists error.
wow bigger than a golf ball, crazy, thats like a deep sea fishing weight or something
I like the guy who blamed the cyclists, total sarcasm, username was critical masshole
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:11 pm
Joined: 23 Oct 2006Posts: 2303Location: FOCO, MOFO!!!
Juzusfuck!
Lets just pull down SeattleLikesBikes site, have a good wake (copious amounts of drinking) and chalk it up to "well, we TRIED", and STFU about it.
40 IS lame...and no, i didnt go. Not cause I dont care or dont disagree with the points that it's gonna do damage, but because it CHANGES NOTHING. The tracks are there, they're exposed, and no one will give two squirts of piss if bikers break their faces.
I mean really, how much sunshine DO you need blown your asses?
If, and only IF, the city decides to continue to blow 10 million dollars out their butt, per mile, for something that is slower than walking, and uses existing bus routes, THEN i'd be into protesting...cause thats just damn STUPID...the whole thing is STUPID...but when you shit gold bricks, you can have a custom made train for christmas and no one is gonna spot ya.
now, back to horse cock...
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:26 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
henry wrote:
Stanglor wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like this is a little ridiculous? People are now suing the city because they can't cross tracks without crashing...
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with Jamie on this forum. They are train tracks. Avoid them. Having a "protest" to demand signs just makes you another fat lady suing Mcdonald's for hot coffee.
Actually, no, Henry, you don't agree with Jamie. Jamie's position is that one should be able to ride in the lanes with the SLUT tracks. He's making the classic novice designer's error: If a couple of people don't use your gizmo the way you meant it, they're the ones who fucked up, but if a bunch of people don't use your gizmo the way you meant it, you're the one who fucked up.
Your position, on the other hand, is that you should avoid the tracks. I agree, and so did the protest last night, which demanded signs ("Hey, you! Don't ride here!"), sharrows ("Hey, you! Ride over here instead.") and the promised bike route ("Hey, you! Why not ride on this completely different street?").
The only difference I can see between these positions is that SLB thinks we need to tell people en masse in advance, and you favor, uh, I guess that people just all spontaneously figure it out themselves. Signs seem like a more likely solution to me.
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snyd3282
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:32 pm
could suck the fun out of a blowjobJoined: 23 Jul 2007Posts: 588Location: Ballard / Fremont
I guess that explains why we had SO MANY cops around for our protest ride.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:33 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
Was the protest silly, or underwhelming? I guess you could argue that. But did it do nothing? That remains to be seen.
We do know that, for now at least, you can't seem to read a story about the streetcar without hearing about how it's unsafe for bicycles. I'm no PR expert, but I believe that's a good thing (assuming it lasts).
Sadly, though, I think the most likely way to get them to stop building streetcar tracks on the right is to do what the injured woman is apparently doing: take 'em to court. I'm also not a lawyer, but it seems likely the city has set themselves up to take a big liability fall. Even ignoring the strength of her case, the bad publicity is probably too much for Nickels and Vulcan, and they will likely settle rather than let this go to court.
Thus ends, I hope, my punditry for the day.
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MyNameIsJeff
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:34 pm
BOOSH!Joined: 17 Jul 2007Posts: 2042Location: Nearest bar.
Pay attention to where you ride your bike butt-ass. That's what the signs should say.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:35 pm
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
MyNameIsJeff wrote:
Pay attention to where you ride your bike butt-ass. That's what the signs should say.
Please translate this into international symbols. You know, the ones with the red circles and stuff.
Also, more animated gifs, please. Derrick's current avatar just isn't as gawkable as his old ones.
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Stef
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:44 pm
Joined: 15 Nov 2007Posts: 121
that is awesome to say the least
Im glad this site can make me laugh out loud at work, I NEED it
the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:06 pm
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
o' jesus christ, i wish i was still a moderator.
snyd3282
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:08 pm
could suck the fun out of a blowjobJoined: 23 Jul 2007Posts: 588Location: Ballard / Fremont
gsbarnes wrote:
Was the protest silly, or underwhelming? I guess you could argue that. But did it do nothing? That remains to be seen.
We do know that, for now at least, you can't seem to read a story about the streetcar without hearing about how it's unsafe for bicycles. I'm no PR expert, but I believe that's a good thing (assuming it lasts).
If it did nothing other than reminding a bunch of cyclists that there are dangers in the tracks, it probably saved a bunch of people from getting hurt because they are now going to either pay more attention or ride a different route.
If it did nothing other than informing some car drivers that cyclists in the left lane aren't riding there just to piss them off, then it was a good thing.
It seems to have prompted the city to add a few warning signs, so that is a good thing.
It did get the attention of people at Vulcan and in the mayor's office and on the city council, if they remember it for long enough to let Cascade get some work done with them, that is a good thing.
If the bike advocacy folks can point to the injuries and protests when SDOT plans the next streetcar tracks, and concince them to not repeat the same mistakes again, that is a good thing.
But it is too early to tell for sure.
ksep
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:08 pm
Joined: 27 Jan 2007Posts: 1879Location: Westlake
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