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adrian
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:21 pm
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the dreaded ben wrote:
lantius wrote:
what the fuck is wrong with you people. asking the city to put up a fucking sign saying "dear cyclists, these tracks may cause you to fall down and break your pelvis" seems pretty fucking reasonable. also having them mark an alternate route that gets you to the same place.
i'm not upset at the SLUT tracks because i'm worried about how the tracks will impact me directly as a cyclist, fuck i've ridden on interstates and on aurora in the snow with a loaded trailer. and i distinctly remember some of your pussy asses (sketchy) complaining about the ride out on mlk south.
if you're going to take something that until recently was a major bicycle arterial and a very logical way to get into downtown and make it a hazard the least they could do is add proper warning and alternate route signage, investigate some remediation options (flange filler), and not do the same stupid thing - putting tracks in the outside lane - when they extend it.
not everyone has access to a community like this. people who come visit the city, folks who just start commuting or are otherwise new, people who don't ride their bikes regularly enough to be confident with a horizontal bunny-hop in traffic but need to go somewhere in SLU, etc. just because most of us here are totally fine doesn't mean it's not egregious that the city thought it was appropriate to hang cyclists out to dry and not do a single fucking thing to ameliorate the situation.
i agree with this wholeheartedly and thus i went last night, but that was the saddest fucking thing i have ever seen.
we turned ourselves into a fucking whining sniveling self-intrest group.
1. 40 fucking people, more people have posted on this thread. seriously 40 fucking people. we came across as a fucking joke.
2. no one at the fucking meeting point at 5. i rode up and was greeted by a dozen bike cops and no protesters.
3. people riding like idiots.
4. never once road anywhere near a fucking trolly.
5. had a meet up time that any reasonable person couldn't make.
i didn't want to be on the news because i was fucking embarassed to be involved.
fucking embarassed.
if, and i mean IF, we do another protest of anything, it better turn out way better than the last two.
but i strongly suggest thinking about all of this before we get all happy with the fucking press releases.
wow, maybe I was in the wrong pack of people then.
first, yeah 40 people was lackluster but it did stir up some publicity and the city is now fully aware what the protest was about.
second, yes people did show up on time. I for one, was in the middle of the park at 445 and someone came down and told me that they meeting point was on the corner of dexter. we waited for a few minutes and noticed a lot of people going to the area where the cops where at. I don't know if you are pissed at the fact that people didn't promptly show up at 5 or pissed about the meet up time.
third, I didn't see anyone riding like idiots. actually, I was really surprised on how many people actually we trying to ride two abreast in the left lane. No one was running lights and I didn't see anyone trying anything dumb. Now this was just in my group of riders so maybe something was going on elsewhere.
fourth, the group I was in rode by the trolley at least 3 times. I think that there were only two operating at the time? I could be wrong.
fifth, the meet up time was alright. yeah, I had to hustle up 3rd to get there right after work but it seems to work out fine. I didn't hear anyone complaining. Again, maybe your complaint is that the time was too early and not many people can make it at the time. I don't know.
I'm not trying to beat down every grip you had. you have your reasons for being embarrassed and that's too bad because I had a good time and I am hoping that the ride will make some things change.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:28 pm
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Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
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TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:30 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
...oh, cause we NEVER do anything like that on other rides...
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gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:31 pm
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TrikerTrev wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
...oh, cause we NEVER do anything like that on other rides...
fart
Of course we do stupid shit on other rides, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
I, personally, was having weird "it's like Bryce Lewis inverted" thoughts as I watched people do that in front of me.
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snyd3282
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:35 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
Which is another WTF of the design here, but yeah we should have handled that better.
I just tapped on the car window and gave the guy a heads-up that some folks might be trying to cross his lane in the next block and he was fine with that as long as we didn't barricade him in...he was on his way to his girlfriend's house...she had just been robbed.
lantius
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:36 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
he was on his way to his girlfriend's house...she had just been robbed.
it was probably cyclists!
TrikerTrev
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:36 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
TrikerTrev wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
...oh, cause we NEVER do anything like that on other rides...
fart
Of course we do stupid shit on other rides, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
nods vigorously in agreement
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:37 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
I just tapped on the car window and gave the guy a heads-up that some folks might be trying to cross his lane in the next block and he was fine with that as long as we didn't barricade him in...he was on his way to his girlfriend's house...she had just been robbed.
If only there were some bicycle cops patrolling in the vicinity...
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tiktok
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:51 pm
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What, on several miles of tracks someone just happened to notice some ball bearings and called the police? So if other metallic debris, the sort that always ends up on the streets, happens to fall in the tracks and the SLUT runs over it, the trolley car is damaged? What are they going to do--have street sweepers check the tracks every day?
adrian
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:54 pm
Joined: 22 Sep 2007Posts: 3Location: Eastlake
gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
Ahh ok, I understand that grip. I didn't see many people doing it.
Lutella
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:23 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Adrian, one of Ben's gripes (and I agree) was the people who made right turns onto Lenora from the left lane, often in front of cars who were not turning right.
With tracks in the right lane, what's the safest way to make a right turn on a bike?
From the left lane I check back over my right shoulder for cars, bikes, the s.l.u.t., ball bearing delivery trucks, buses, motorcycle cops, etc., do my fancy right-turn arm signal, and cross the right lane and tracks at a safe angle. I hate the just-standing-there-in-the-street-waiting-for-the-right-lane-to-clear-trying-to-not-get-creamed part.
langston
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:56 pm
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tiktok wrote:
What are they going to do--have street sweepers check the tracks every day?
yes. they do every day, just like they do the ExpressLanes on I-5 & I-90 and all other major roadways. The cost of liabilty is significantly higher than to pay some schlub to go out and scope it out.
Milx
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 pm
Joined: 10 Dec 2007Posts: 348Location: Capitol Hill
I'm not a skilled rider, and I've had no prob with em. ...really a lot more concerned about Seattle's 658,000 potholes, metal grates, total lack of consistent bike lanes/routes and freakishly hostile motorists.
Lutella
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:55 pm
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Somebody should report the sinkhole at gg... or, the lack of proper streetcar signage!
pete jr
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:46 am
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Milx wrote:
I'm not a skilled rider, and I've had no prob with em. ...really a lot more concerned about Seattle's 658,000 potholes, metal grates, total lack of consistent bike lanes/routes and freakishly hostile motorists.
i lurve you, even if you are also a dude.
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henry
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:39 am
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pete jr wrote:
Milx wrote:
I'm not a skilled rider, and I've had no prob with em. ...really a lot more concerned about Seattle's 658,000 potholes, metal grates, total lack of consistent bike lanes/routes and freakishly hostile motorists.
i am ambivalent about you, even if you are also a dude.
I say we give the area some attention on the next Mass.
SKETCHY
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:05 pm
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holy shit storm, being upset about the slut is fine, and there have been a shit ton of posts and Ideas and thats also fine. But Point83 is the worst example of people to be representing cyclist.
Every Tues. and thurs, we ride bikes, DRUNK, DOWN SIDEWALKS, SPEEDING THROUGH PARKING LOTS, AGAINST TRAFFIC, AGAINST TRAFFIC DOWN ONE WAYS, THROUGH RED LIGHTS, STOP SIGNS, PEOPLES YARDS, THROUGH FRED MEYER, and we go out of our way to piss off traffic ECT.ECT.ECT.
And yet we protest the SLUT Fucking WOW
Point 83 is a good group, but think about our Tues/thurs day rides and ask yourselves, should we get involved in this kind of shit with way we act. I'll be the first to admit i'm one of the worst ones. That's also why you didn't see me on the slut ride.
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pete jr
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:43 pm
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henry wrote:
I am ambivalent about my wife SO much!
omg second-order word filter!
snyd3282
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:10 pm
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SLB has gotten enough attention now that we might be able to request a meeting with the mayor or city council members before we go to the streets with a ride or paper the media with press releases. There are lots of people who are frustrated with the way things are and want things to change. SLB seems like it is making progress, but maybe we need to grow beyond just doing protest rides.
I'm thankful that everyone here hasn't objected too much when we have long threads on SLB stuff. Maybe it is time for SLB to get it's own forum outside of .83
lantius
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:43 pm
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yes. might i recommend instead using a blog, like wordpress? it makes sense for allowing some folks to post articles and others to only post comments.
SKETCHY
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:40 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
SLB has gotten enough attention now that we might be able to request a meeting with the mayor or city council members before we go to the streets with a ride or paper the media with press releases. There are lots of people who are frustrated with the way things are and want things to change. SLB seems like it is making progress, but maybe we need to grow beyond just doing protest rides.
I'm thankful that everyone here hasn't objected too much when we have long threads on SLB stuff. Maybe it is time for SLB to get it's own forum outside of .83
We talk about the fucking around and trouble we get into on this forem alot, actually all the time. Riding, drinking in a nutshell is what were about. SLB should not be. It's kinka like going to listen to a speach about alternative fuel and driving away in a hummer after listening to it. It makes no fucking sense. After doing the slut ride who didn't run a red light going home. Same shit.
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SKETCHY
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:40 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
SLB has gotten enough attention now that we might be able to request a meeting with the mayor or city council members before we go to the streets with a ride or paper the media with press releases. There are lots of people who are frustrated with the way things are and want things to change. SLB seems like it is making progress, but maybe we need to grow beyond just doing protest rides.
I'm thankful that everyone here hasn't objected too much when we have long threads on SLB stuff. Maybe it is time for SLB to get it's own forum outside of .83
We talk about the fucking around and trouble we get into on this forem alot, actually all the time. Riding, drinking in a nutshell is what were about. SLB should not be. It's kinka like going to listen to a speach about alternative fuel and driving away in a hummer after listening to it. It makes no fucking sense. After doing the slut ride who didn't run a red light going home. Same shit.
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snyd3282
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:30 pm
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SKETCHY wrote:
We talk about the fucking around and trouble we get into on this forem alot, actually all the time. Riding, drinking in a nutshell is what were about. SLB should not be. It's kinka like going to listen to a speach about alternative fuel and driving away in a hummer after listening to it. It makes no fucking sense. After doing the slut ride who didn't run a red light going home. Same shit.
From what I can tell, most people in .83 really do bicycle for transportation. Too many people in Cascade load their bikes on thier SUV, drive down to gasworks, bike for 15 miles, load their bikes back on their SUV and go home. Yeah, we drink, but we also use bikes as our main mode of transportation, so it isn't just being whiney jerks when we protest.
But yeah, SLB shouldn't be about getting into trouble or drinking and so far I don't think it has been. It has been about showing that a lot of regular people who bicycle every day are concerned about the way the city is ignoring cyclists.
TrikerTrev
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:52 am
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maybe not so much "ignoring" as "blowing sunshine up our asses".
but, good point.
SKETCH, did you hire a secretary? Suddenly your posts are making sense.
gsbarnes
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:11 am
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TrikerTrev wrote:
SKETCH, did you hire a secretary? Suddenly your posts are making sense.
Maybe it's that midwestern weather...
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SKETCHY
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:56 pm
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I don't know what happened.
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MikeOD
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:38 pm
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The poop in the midwest is more nutritious?
gsbarnes
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:41 pm
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The UW Daily had a front page article about the SLUT today and its hazards for bikes, including a mention of SLB. They talked to Hiller, and Portland's bicycle coordinator, and quoted SDOT as saying they're doing a lot of stuff SLB asked for, such as putting up 40-50 warning signs and investigating a better flange filler.
Then again, they captioned a picture of the SLUT with some text about "Sound Transit's University Link, a segment in Seattle's developing light rail system", so God only knows how much of what they wrote was correct.
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ksep
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:46 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
putting up 40-50 warning signs
Confirmed, they're all over the place now. I wish they would put more actually along Westlake instead of the streets that intersect it.
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kav
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:14 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
Then again, they captioned a picture of the SLUT with some text about "Sound Transit's University Link, a segment in Seattle's developing light rail system", so God only knows how much of what they wrote was correct.
Sound Transit's University Link? So they confused the SLUT with STUL. That's just gross.
langston
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:39 pm
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kav wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Then again, they captioned a picture of the SLUT with some text about "Sound Transit's University Link, a segment in Seattle's developing light rail system", so God only knows how much of what they wrote was correct.
Sound Transit's University Link? So they confused the SLUT with STUL. That's just gross.
wins dylexia again
DJStroky
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:15 am
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C'mon now, the Daily isn't too concerned with facts but rather "quality journalism".
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that is excellent. the SLUT almost had me for lunch the other day.
ksep
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:30 pm
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And did they also make Bell between 8th & Denny two way or 9th between Denny & Westlake? My spider senses tell me no and there's no way to get to the "start" of 9th Ave North other than from Denny. And why would you be on Denny and go out of your way, past either Dexter or Westlake to ride northbound on it?
You know, there was a good fucking reason Westlake was NB only and 9th Ave N. was SB only* before the SLUT was installed. I'm not a traffic engineer, but I think the fork in the road at Jillian's up north and the change in the city's grid pattern down south had something to do with it.
At least the southbound bike lane will be nice.
* except for that little one lane dual direction block between Mercer and Republican.
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tehschkott
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:57 pm
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abamfici wrote:
And did they also make Bell between 8th & Denny two way or 9th between Denny & Westlake? My spider senses tell me no and there's no way to get to the "start" of 9th Ave North other than from Denny. And why would you be on Denny and go out of your way, past either Dexter or Westlake to ride northbound on it?
You know, there was a good fucking reason Westlake was NB only and 9th Ave N. was SB only* before the SLUT was installed. I'm not a traffic engineer, but I think the fork in the road at Jillian's up north and the change in the city's grid pattern down south had something to do with it.
At least the southbound bike lane will be nice.
* except for that little one lane dual direction block between Mercer and Republican.
NO SHIT. I still get freaked out when coming down Denny I see cars coming up Westlake on my right.
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snyd3282
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:30 pm
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Under the project details link off of the link that Greg provided, there is a map. It makes my head hurt. If I follow this right, they either expect a lot of bike traffic to filter around the Lake Union Loop trail, or hop onto Broad/Valley or Mercer(!) to get over onto Fairview ...and since Bell is one way, how do you get down onto this from the north side.
My head hurts.
They had better do a kick-ass job on those signs, I ride that route regularly (southbound) right now ...though I usually let it take me onto westlake instead of on to Bell because I'm lazy like that... and I'm not seeing how it is going to work.
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