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So there's a few jackass letters in today's Seattle Times, the jackassiest of which was written by one Apollo Fuhriman from Bothell. Google tells me that he is a Republican jackass who recently tried to destroy America by giving $2300 to Mitt Romney.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:24 am
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DOUG. wrote:
So there's a few jackass letters in today's Seattle Times, the jackassiest of which was written by one Apollo Fuhriman from Bothell. Google tells me that he is a Republican jackass who recently tried to destroy America by giving $2300 to Mitt Romney.
Can we find out where this guy lives and leave a burning bag of poo on his doorstep? Please?
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:33 am
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Is it really that hard for people to do some basic fact checking?
Jim Beard wrote:
The law, as I [mis]understand it, reserves the sidewalks and crosswalks for pedestrians. The cyclists who choose to use the sidewalks should dismount and walk, which reduces the danger they pose to pedestrians.
Section 11.44.120 RIDING ON A SIDEWALK OR PUBLIC PATH. Every person operating a bicycle upon any sidewalk or public path shall operate the same in a careful and prudent manner and a rate of speed no greater than is reasonable and proper under the conditions existing at the point of operation, taking into account the amount and character of pedestrian traffic, grade and width of sidewalk or public path, and condition of surface, and shall obey all traffic control devices. Every person operating a bicycle upon a sidewalk or public path shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian thereon, and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any pedestrian.
source -- first hit on google for "seattle bicycle sidewalk"
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am
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FUHRIMAN RICHARD APOLLO M 1120o E RIVERSIDE DR BOTHELL
(where the "o" is an odd number, 1, 3, 5, 7, or 9; which might reequire 5 flaming bags, some placed on the wrong doorsteps)
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Is it possible to see what cars are registered under his name?
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dashap wrote:
FUHRIMAN RICHARD APOLLO M 1120o E RIVERSIDE DR BOTHELL
(where the "o" is an odd number, 1, 3, 5, 7, or 9; which might reequire 5 flaming bags, some placed on the wrong doorsteps)
probably an apartment
GE shows this as right off the BGT in Bothell, by the first river bridge crossing. It would be a great ride to do in the evening...theres even a taco truck available along the way...
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dashap
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:35 am
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I Zillow-ed the address (thanks Henry!) and it looks like the only odd numbered one is 11203.
looks more like an estate!
the dreaded ben
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:40 am
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he's a tard. regular people can tell that. move on.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:41 am
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Apparently this legal genius is a LAW STUDENT at Seattle U. Pity the fool who gets represented by this guy.
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the dreaded ben wrote:
he's a tard. regular people can tell that. move on.
I was going to say I could tell by his name that his parents were tards, but then I remembered what we'd named our kids, and decided the glass houses adage was applicable.
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I love the idea of a "spandex mafia".
"Don Campy is concerned that you might have trouble walking aroun' downtown, if you know what I mean."
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Uncle Martha wrote:
I love the idea of a "spandex mafia".
"Don Campy is concerned that you might have trouble walking aroun' downtown, if you know what I mean."
"That's a nice pista you got there, shame if something should happen to it."
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DOUG. wrote:
Apparently this legal genius is a LAW STUDENT at Seattle U. Pity the fool who gets represented by this guy.
I do believe a flyering of the campus and law school with his opinions might be in order. I would be ashamed to have a peer write such a poorly argued commentary. Asidide from the vitriol, it's just trashy "below law school" writing.... and hell he got the laws wrong!
f'tard.
maybe Mista Hayduke knows him... or can suggest forwarding this to the Bar for when mister Fuhriman has to do his exam. Not sure if it would be germane to the bar... but it would be a telling statement of his character.
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TacomaDude wrote:
derrickito wrote:
fuhriman@seattleu.edu
'yall know what a jobyjob is, right?
i have a hunch what it might be like.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:10 pm
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Thank you for the information, the matter has been taken under advisement and the issue is being looked into. (oh I do love the passive voice, we like to call it institutional passive voice here)
Some people think their imagination creates the laws ... or do they. Notice one little bit of perfect harmony out of the five ignorant letters.
Jim Beard complains "...photo reveals four bicyclists riding south on the west pedestrian sidewalk of the Fremont Bridge, including one cyclist riding through the crosswalk to cross the intersection."
Apollo writes
"When bikers start obeying the law (walking a bike in a crosswalk, not riding on the sidewalk . . ."
Who's telling these guys cyclists must dismount to cross a crosswalk and that cycling on sidewalks is illegal? Talk radio?
Of course, automobile drivers must get out of their cars and push to legally get their vehicles to the other side of any sidewalk or crosswalk. That, I'd like to see.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:48 am
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beaneater wrote:
Some people think their imagination creates the laws ... or do they.
Who's telling these guys cyclists must dismount to cross a crosswalk and that cycling on sidewalks is illegal? Talk radio?
I distinctly remember going to a bicycle safety class as a child wherein they told us to always walk our bikes across the streets using a crosswalk.
This may be an antiquated way of looking at bicycle safety, but I'll wager it still exists in the minds of those looking to cherry-pick "laws" which back up their complaints of real or imagined infractions.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:48 am
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I just find it a bit ironic he is complaining about the cost of adding bike lanes but wants bicycles to "start being courteous" and use bike lanes.
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"After all, I was ASB president and cheerleading captain at Sammamish High School." — Apollo Fuhriman, Bothell
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Uncle Martha wrote:
I distinctly remember going to a bicycle safety class as a child wherein they told us to always walk our bikes across the streets using a crosswalk.
This may be an antiquated way of looking at bicycle safety, but I'll wager it still exists in the minds of those looking to cherry-pick "laws" which back up their complaints of real or imagined infractions.
The area I grew up in Sonoma County, CA, every major intersection had a Walk-Your-Bike sign on the crosswalk signal. It was painted on some crosswalks as well. I'm fairly certain (and I don't feel like Googling it) that it was illegal there to ride on the sidewalks. Consequentially, I was surprised to learn after I started cycling in Seattle that it is legal here to ride on sidewalks and crosswalks. If I didn't ride, I don't think I ever would have known that.
We can't blame these people too much for thinking that way.
We should blame them lots of being asses with their lack of knowledge.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:21 am
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I've been toying with the idea of doing some informal surveys / hand out RCW / Seattle Municipal Code snippets pertaining to bike & ped laws.
Just from random chats, I'm guessing that at least half the population doesn't know what the law is.
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snyd3282 wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of doing some informal surveys / hand out RCW / Seattle Municipal Code snippets pertaining to bike & ped laws.
Just from random chats, I'm guessing that at least half the population doesn't know what the law is.
If you can make a 1/4pg sized flier, I'd print out a couple dozen to keep in my bag to give to people as I see them.
snyd3282
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langston wrote:
snyd3282 wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of doing some informal surveys / hand out RCW / Seattle Municipal Code snippets pertaining to bike & ped laws.
Just from random chats, I'm guessing that at least half the population doesn't know what the law is.
If you can make a 1/4pg sized flier, I'd print out a couple dozen to keep in my bag to give to people as I see them.
Give me a week and I'll get some fliers made up.
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i'm gonna have the RCW tattooed on my ass, so they can familiarize them selves with it while they're kissing it.
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coupdegrace
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:29 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
langston wrote:
snyd3282 wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of doing some informal surveys / hand out RCW / Seattle Municipal Code snippets pertaining to bike & ped laws.
Just from random chats, I'm guessing that at least half the population doesn't know what the law is.
If you can make a 1/4pg sized flier, I'd print out a couple dozen to keep in my bag to give to people as I see them.
Give me a week and I'll get some fliers made up.
Here is a pamphlet pretaining to the laws that specifically apply to bicyclists in Washington state. Sidewalk riding is govened my individual municipalaties and therefore is not coverd in this pamphlet. These were available FREE of charge by requesting them, but I cannot remember at this moment who to contact to request these pamphlets from. There are several agencies and phone numbers listed on the pamplet I am sure it is one of them.
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My thought, in a little more detail is to do something like this:
Seattle Sixty Second Bike & Ped Survey:
1. Is it legal for bicycles to ride on the road?
2. Is it legal for bicycles to ride on the sidewalk?
3. Is it legal for bicycles to ride in a crosswalk?
4. Is it legal for bicycles to pass on the right?
5. Are all legal crosswalks painted?
6. Must a car stop for a pedestrian in an un-painted intersection without stoplights?
7. Is it legal for bicycles to go faster than 15mph on multi-use trails?
8. Do bicycle and pedestrian laws vary by city and state?
9. If there is a bike lane, must cyclists use it?
10. If there is a sharrow, must cyclists stay in that lane?
About you:
Do you bicycle regularly?
Do you walk for transportation?
Do you take the bus regularly?
Do you drive regularly?
Age:
Gender:
[Answer key with RCW / SMC references on the back]
Then I'd give them the survey, and trade them with another once they filled it out so I could start to compile the results. I'd also put a surveymonkey link from the website.
coupdegrace
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:49 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
9. If there is a bike lane, must cyclists use it?
10. If there is a sharrow, must cyclists stay in that lane?
9a. If there is a multi-purpose path or trail, must cyclists use it?
9b. Are there paths and trails specifically for cyclists?
Is #10 a trick question? The question is confusing to me because a sharrow does not designate a lane or a specific place or area on the roadway where the cyclist should ride, but instead the sharrow is intended to indicate that the road is too narrow for both a cyclist and a motorist to use the lane simultaneously and therefore the cyclist should move to the center of the lane to discourage motorists from attempting to pass too closely. It is a callout to both cyclists and motorists to ride/drive single file until the road widens to safely allow double file use again.
snyd3282
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:59 pm
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Correct answers, I think would be:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. Yes
7. No
8. Yes
9. No
10. No
The curious thing about the sharrows is that some people think it is just a wide bike lane. I'm thinking that some motorists probably assume that since the lane (in places like Stone Way where you have multiple lanes) has a bike symbol it must follow that cyclists are required to stay in that lane.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:30 pm
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I love how every one of these "Cycling Specific Laws" pamphlets judiciously omits RCW 46.61.790
coupdegrace
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:52 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
The curious thing about the sharrows is that some people think it is just a wide bike lane. I'm thinking that some motorists probably assume that since the lane (in places like Stone Way where you have multiple lanes) has a bike symbol it must follow that cyclists are required to stay in that lane.
Micheal, I understand your point but question #10 does not clarify the confusion about sharrows. A better question might be:
Q. When there is a sharrow can a motorist safely drive alongside a cyclist in that lane?
A. No because the lane is too narrow for both the motorist and cyclist to share the lane safely. The cyclist should ride nearer the center of the lane to discourage motorists from attempting to pass unsafely and motorists should follow behind a cyclist until it is safe to pass.
The term sharrow is counter-intuitive because when a lane is marked with a sharrow it is too narrow to share safely.
snyd3282
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:17 am
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Good clarification. I like it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:40 am
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Uncle Martha wrote:
I distinctly remember going to a bicycle safety class as a child wherein they told us to always walk our bikes across the streets using a crosswalk.
Yeah, we had that -- at least at intersections controlled by traffic lights. That was a long time ago and far away. Nearer and more recent for others from the sound of it.
People not knowing the rules for operating their motor vehicles concerns me more than their not knowing the rules bicyclists should follow.
e.g.
What should one do at a stop sign?
Except on streets where otherwise marked, what is the maximum speed?
Before turning right at a red light one should ________.
To let your maid know that you have arrived outside her apartment with your Excursion you should honk your horn? TRUE FALSE
coupdegrace
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:07 am
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beaneater wrote:
To let your maid know that you have arrived outside her apartment with your Excursion you should honk your horn? TRUE FALSE
TRUE It is illegal to use your horn for any other purpose. RCW 46.37.380
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