I got a goddam ticket yesterday for blowing a stop sign on the trail!!!! $103!!! He made me late for an appointment to go volunteer at Children's for LITTLE KIDS WITH CANCER. ON VALENTINE'S DAY.
It made me very grumpy.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:10 am
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wow. mine was only $80 for running a red light...
it's still not a moving violation, right?
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:13 am
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If you have proof you visited those kids, mitigate the ticket and that judge will cut that shit way down.
Unless he is a robot.
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I am fighting one I got in early Nov. and I haven't heard anything about it.
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SPD or UW's finest?
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bobhall wrote:
I got a goddam ticket yesterday for blowing a stop sign on the trail!!!! $103!!! He made me late for an appointment to go volunteer at Children's for LITTLE KIDS WITH CANCER. ON VALENTINE'S DAY.
It made me very grumpy.
What time? I took the day off, but I blow that intersection most every day on my way in and out from work - but I've never seen them.
Time to start jumping off the trail at 40th and ride city streets to the Univ Bridge. It's high traffic, but if they are going to start making my route to work a pain, I don't mind taking my place in traffic and pissing off the motorists.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:47 am
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snyd3282 wrote:
SPD or UW's finest?
SPD bike cop, far as I could tell.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:12 am
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On Feb 1st (a friday) at about 10pm or so I found myself at the same intersection, headed west. I wasn't in a hurry and I was kind of dorking around so I actually came to a complete stop before entering the intersection.
And then a cyclist behind me (I didn't know he was there) ran into me!* Fucker wobbled by and kept going while I stood there in foot down silence/surprise for a moment. I guess it makes sense because people don't usually come to a dead stop at night when clearly no cross traffic is coming (no car sound, no headlights). Stopping dead is not expected cyclist behavior. It's about safety, right? And stopping for a crosswalk where you have right of way isn't automatically safe.
* he only brushed my shoulder, but still...
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:28 am
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Stop signs are pretty clear in their message. You're supposed to stop at them. That's why they say "STOP".
If you break a traffic law, you pay a fine. Unless you did a really good job of breaking it, then you go to jail or something.
Why should any judge mitigate a ticket? Is your argument that you didn't understand what the sign meant?
Note that i could care less if you run a stop sign, i do it all the time. But it's the same as having your 15-year-old girlfriend's redneck dad catch you bonin' on the sofa. You knew what you were doing, and now you'll pay the price for it by running around with your boner bouncing like the baton at the symphony, getting chased by a dude with a shotgun and a bottle of MD2020.
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my question is:
It's a bike cop on a bike with fatty tires, how did he catch you?
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:48 pm
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how come everything with you has to be about mad dog 20/20?
...or 15 yo girls, for that matter...
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:57 pm
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Eric_s wrote:
my question is:
It's a bike cop on a bike with fatty tires, how did he catch you?
Dude... you do not want to go there... especially if it is the UW pedestrian punishment division...
the second week of the quarter we all witnessed this 2 hour rather horrifying Rodney King moment...
They had a guy (19 or 20 years old) outside of Winkenwerder and at first I thought he was a bike thief they had caught, then I thought he was a drug dealer... there were two cruisers... 3 bike cops and a total of about 7 officers.
The kid was hancuffed beehindhis back and initially was placed face down on the ground.
The UW police were literally swearing at him. At one point they said "you know, your life is over".
I found out later that he ran the stop sign at the Hub and didn't stop when a UW bike cop yelled "hey stop". A fellow student said it looked like the kid didn't even hear the cop.
Anyway...
good thing the UW PO-lice are keeping the campus safe... that cyclist might have been out to hit someone in the face with a hammer!
nothing more tempting for a police officer than to harass a pedestrian or cyclist... particularly around the UW. After all... the single greatest danger we all face is from that errant non-motorist that might impinge upon the god given liberty to drive our cars!!!!!
I think the UW has been hiring former Abu Grahib prison guards or something.
It's embarrassing. You look at the sophomoric 'kid pulling wings off of a bug' behavior by UW police... but you don't want to get involved because you sorta fear they will stalk you.
I am sure they are not all like that... but... I feel like we have a really creepy police force on campus.
(sorry to rant... having a bad day and my pancreas hurts)
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john wrote:
Eric_s wrote:
my question is:
It's a bike cop on a bike with fatty tires, how did he catch you?
Dude... you do not want to go there... especially if it is the UW pedestrian punishment division...
I am sure they are not all like that... but... I feel like we have a really creepy police force on campus.
you should see the turnout if you get caught trying to liberate an abandoned bike while dressed up in a pink bridesmaids dress in the middle of the night.... I got to meet the Captain and about 6 other knuckledraggers...
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People dress abandoned bikes in pink bridesmaid dresses?
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it was the same dress.
who has it now anyways, you raz?
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:20 pm
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this was the spd, right? That's not even on campus. I guess they would just catch you farther down the trail. damn radios.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:55 pm
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Anyone ever notice the bike cops pedaling at mach 3 in the granny gear barely trolling along at walking speed?
Are they doing that on purpose?
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:23 pm
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MyNameIsJeff wrote:
Anyone ever notice the bike cops pedaling at mach 3 in the granny gear barely trolling along at walking speed?
Are they doing that on purpose?
and what is the deal with airline food?
i mean, come on.
Razi
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derrickito wrote:
it was the same dress.
who has it now anyways, you raz?
Guilty.
I was going to wear that thing on Duck Dodge "Prom Night" last year, but Denny came through with a much more scandalous leopard print dress that I used instead.
Honestly, it was a very good thing I wore Denny's dress. It rode high enough that I could actually move around in it, and I was racing a very fast, very complicated boat that night with a mess of line and a massive centerboard trunk in the cockpit.
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Eric_s wrote:
this was the spd, right? That's not even on campus. I guess they would just catch you farther down the trail. damn radios.
Judging by the aforementioned hypnotic flashing, this is UW territory; the signs were part of a settlement by some tard who got nailed where the BGT meets Pend Oreille (note: I'm not saying he's a tard for getting hit; he's a tard for letting/making them put up the flashing signs).
I have seen UWPD writing tickets here before. But I imagine just like the UWPD can go onto Frat Row, the SPD can go here with impunity, so it could be either. And I'm sure one would call the other if someone tried to 'resist arrest'.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:57 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
MyNameIsJeff wrote:
Anyone ever notice the bike cops pedaling at mach 3 in the granny gear barely trolling along at walking speed?
Training? Keeping their heart rate up? Developing those high-twitch responses so they can sprint and catch a perp at a moments notice?
It might be a good question for the PI's traffic question/answer spot.
My thought is that bike cops are close to beat cops (foot patrols). They want to travel slow, they are not trying to get anywhere fast most of the time. But when they do need to respond they can shift down a few gears or possibly chase someone. Cracks me up when they use handcuffs for bike locks.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:00 pm
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Well it looks funny and I hate all of you and your smarty pants answers.
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MyNameIsJeff wrote:
Well it looks funny and I hate all of you and your smarty pants answers.
No, no, they really do it becasue they practice trials while you aren't looking.
YOU try darting around this shit wearing a bridesmaid dress!
Damn, and I thought sailing a brig was hard. That shit looks crazy.
No thanks, I'll save my bridesmaid dresses for fancy, simple, schooners.[/i]
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john wrote:
[john tells story]
... he ran the stop sign at the Hub and didn't stop when a UW bike cop yelled "hey stop". A fellow student said it looked like the kid didn't even hear the cop.
[john continues to tell story]
Stop signs are pretty clear in their message. You're supposed to stop at them. That's why they say "STOP".
If you break a traffic law, you pay a fine. Unless you did a really good job of breaking it, then you go to jail or something.
Why should any judge mitigate a ticket? Is your argument that you didn't understand what the sign meant?
Note that i could care less if you run a stop sign, i do it all the time. But it's the same as having your 15-year-old girlfriend's redneck dad catch you bonin' on the sofa. You knew what you were doing, and now you'll pay the price for it by running around with your boner bouncing like the baton at the symphony, getting chased by a dude with a shotgun and a bottle of MD2020.
Oh fuck Henry, you're right! Running a stop sign is totally the same as fucking an under-age girl. Fucking up girls' mental states for a long time is JUST LIKE running stop signs! Huh huh, sexual crime and abusing women is so funny! And joking about it is totally ok, since all that shit never actually happens....
Actually, I think you should mitigate bullshit laws. The law is dumb, so I'm going to tell the judge so.
Alastair
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:53 pm
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bobhall wrote:
Oh fuck Henry, you're right! Running a stop sign is totally the same as fucking an under-age girl. Fucking up girls' mental states for a long time is JUST LIKE running stop signs! Huh huh, sexual crime and abusing women is so funny! And joking about it is totally ok, since all that shit never actually happens....
Actually, I think you should mitigate bullshit laws. The law is dumb, so I'm going to tell the judge so.
I had my neck broken and shoulder messed up for life by someone running a stop sign.
No point or anything... Just sayin'...
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:30 pm
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Alastair wrote:
I had my neck broken and shoulder messed up for life by someone running a stop sign.
No point or anything... Just sayin'...
wait, i thought the car ran the stop sign?
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:40 pm
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henry wrote:
Stop signs are pretty clear in their message. You're supposed to stop at them. That's why they say "STOP".
In this case, I'd argue otherwise.
Stop signs mean more than just 'stop'. You have to stop and yield the right-of-way. RCW 46.61.190.
But this stop sign, along with its sibling across Brooklyn, bookend a crosswalk. And RCW 46.61.235 says the cross traffic must yield to the crosswalk traffic (the directions of travel with the stop signs).
So this stop sign, and every other stop sign just before entering a crosswalk, do not appear to mean what the RCW says a stop sign means. They're ambiguous and open to interpretation, and I, for one, am confused as to what they mean. That's what I'd tell the judge were I in Bobhall's shoes.
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ksep
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:27 pm
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gsbarnes wrote:
But this stop sign, along with its sibling across Brooklyn, bookend a crosswalk. And RCW 46.61.235 says the cross traffic must yield to the crosswalk traffic (the directions of travel with the stop signs).
A person operating a bicycle across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk shall have all the rights and duties applicable to a pedestrian under the same circumstances, but shall yield to pedestrians upon and along a crosswalk. No person operating a bicycle shall suddenly enter a crosswalk into the path of a vehicle which is so close that the driver cannot yield safely.
(Ord. 108200 Section 2(11.44.100), 1979.)
You didn't go into the intersection so fast a driver wasn't able to yield safely, did you? BTW, can anyone actually find the law that say the speed limit on the BGT is 15 mph? I can't seem to dig it up.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:22 pm
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King County Municipal Code
7.12.295 Trail use.
A. No person shall travel on a trail at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the
conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event, speed shall
be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with others who are complying with the law and
using reasonable care. Travel at speeds in excess of 15 miles per hour shall constitute in evidence a prima
facie presumption that the person violated this section.
gsbarnes
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:36 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
King County Municipal Code
7.12.295 Trail use.
A. No person shall travel on a trail at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the
conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event, speed shall
be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with others who are complying with the law and
using reasonable care. Travel at speeds in excess of 15 miles per hour shall constitute in evidence a prima
facie presumption that the person violated this section.
I don't necessarily buy that King County trail code applies in the City of Seattle. Lots of King County regs are superseded by Seattle, and within the City, the BGT is a City of Seattle Park, not a King County Trail.
Complicating matters further, I think the UW has jurisdiction for the section from the north end of the motor pool until somewhere near University or I-5 bridges (which is why these are the only spots where the stop signs have the ridiculous flashers). But I don't know if the UW makes any special rules, or just is responsible for upkeep.
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