Good news Erica "Fixed gears are dangerous and cause fatalities" gives the Seattle Likes Bikes, errr, the Cascade Bicycle Club some props in this slog post.
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snyd3282 wrote:
DJStrokey, can you share the title & ISBN of that book? If it is that good and doesn't cost $300, I wouldn't mind buying a copy.
The book is really good. Here is a snippit from a presentation the author gave about her book:
I don't think you can buy it and the book may still be in a review phase. However, you can check out a presentation about the book here. I would suggest contacting the author and maybe she could see if she could send you a copy. Her contact info is in the presentation.
Also, this site has a some streetscape improvement info too.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:57 pm
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TrikerTrev wrote:
michael,
I've been looking through the MUTCD (manual on uniform traffic control devices) trying to find something, anything, on Sharrow information signs for drivers. Bottom line seems to be that since the last edition on '03, they have not devised anything educating drivers on what the marker in the road is, besides combining the "share the road" and the standard bicycle warning sign.
Can we convince them to adhere to these guidelines? Anything to help drivers acknowledge the legality of bikes riding in "their" lane.
I saw this post from Joshua Putnam on Cascade's forums:
Quote:
Maybe too much to hope for, but will the sharrows be as far into the lane as the new MUTCD proposal suggests? Or in the door zone?
7 If used in a shared lane with on-street parallel parking, Shared Lane Markings shall be placed so
8 that the centers of the markings are at least 3.4 m (11 ft) from the face of the curb, or from the edge of
9 the pavement where there is no curb.
10 Guidance:
11 If used on a street without on-street parking that has an outside travel lane that
12 is less than 4.3 m (14 ft) wide, the centers of the Shared Lane Markings should be at
13 least 1.2 m (4 ft) from the face of the curb, or from the edge of the pavement where
14 there is no curb.
Maybe DJStrokey can ask his professors and help us find a copy of this proposal? ;)
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:18 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
Maybe DJStrokey can ask his professors and help us find a copy of this proposal? ;)
Huh?? What proposal?
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:18 pm
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Nevermind, Joshua Putnam provided more info and links:
If you go to the FHWA site, there's a marked-up version that shows the revisions from the existing manual.
Public comment on the changes are due by the end of July.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:51 am
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Cyclocross style SLB protest ride on Joby's new bikepath!
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:55 am
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michael,
I took Stone home last night and noticed a few problems in the up hill side that are worth mentioning to your SDO(L)T cronies.
this needs to be addressed at the 40th street intersection...
...because it is not this way. The bike lane is funneled to the right, against the curb, and bikes going straight have to watch for autos turning RIGHT onto 40th AND the wonky lane merge. Bad design, and obviously not the standard.
Directly after the 40th street intersection, the block between 40th and N Lucas Pl. The road goes on a diet, but, there are NO "no parking" signs, as listed in this figure:
There are consistently cars parked in that section of road north of 40th, making the transition from the far right side of the bike lane/sharrow before the intersection, across literally 2 lanes or traffic to enter the actual bike lane way too dangerous. Going through this intersection during rush hour is a nightmare!
Again, some simple signage would REALLY help in these areas. North of 40th, they do have a "lane ends" type sign, but nothing to indicate the bike lane begins, or like i said, nothing to stop folks from parking in an actual traffic merge lane.
I mean, come on...i'm not SDOT employee, but if I can find the FHA guidelines, and locate the areas in this new trial that fall outside of those rules, WFT gives? Are these guys new or something? I swear...
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:21 am
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Let me introduce you to this thing called a Government Bureaucracy...so many simple, basic things that we have all come to love and expect out of the corporate world like "evaluation criteria" seem to be largely unknown in the world of government.
When SDOT first said they would take 6 months to "study the issue", I started asking what they were studying and what criteria they would use to make the decision. Maybe I was asking the wrong people, but I got a bunch of stunned looks like I was crazy or something.
Another thing that stunned me at the start is that I imagined that some SDOT employees might be doing all the work. Nope, one person specifies it and hands it off to an engineering firm that does site surveys and drafts blueprints, another group sends it off to crews to implement, and I'm still not sure if they have a process for verifying that things were done correctly.
So no, while some folks might be new, they aren't all new...and the new folks are probably more sticklers for the details than the old folks.
I'll point out those issues and see what I can push get them to do.
...at least it isn't as bad as the sharrows that went down in s. seattle in a lane that is used for parking half the day.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:36 am
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TrikerTrev wrote:
this needs to be addressed at the 40th street intersection...
...because it is not this way.
Yes! We gotta get these traffic engineers to ride a bike and/or update their models to refelect how bicycles work. The lane against the curb with the quick turning right traffic is very Eastlake/Furhman.
Hope they paint the new lane green in the correct position.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:55 pm
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Back to Stone Way and Trev's comments, I just got off the phone with Pete Lagerway from SDOT and they are going to make changes in the area of Stone Way and 40th.
The bicycle lane (northbound) approaching 40th will be on the right of a dedicated turning lane and the bike lane will start up again immediately after 40th. Now, there won't be a no-parking sign because they want to discourage cars coming from the west and heading north from taking a free-right into that parking space. The plan will be on desplay at the Bike Expo and SDOT people will be there to take comments.
Now, with the bike lane in the correct spot approaching 40th from the south, it will line up with the bike lane starting immediately after 40th heading north, so it seems to me like that works...but let me know if you still see a problem there.
ksep
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:13 pm
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snyd3282 wrote:
The bicycle lane (northbound) approaching 40th will be on the right of a dedicated turning lane and the bike lane will start up again immediately after 40th.
Umm that's the current bad configuration. Should be left of the turn lane, like in Trevor's image. Guess I gotta go to the bike expo with the picture and tell 'em what's up.
Q: When is there a dedicated right turn lane on the left side of the curb lane?
A: When the curb lane is a bike lane, lolz!
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:29 pm
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abamfici wrote:
snyd3282 wrote:
The bicycle lane (northbound) approaching 40th will be on the right of a dedicated turning lane and the bike lane will start up again immediately after 40th.
Umm that's the current bad configuration. Should be left of the turn lane, like in Trevor's image. Guess I gotta go to the bike expo with the picture and tell 'em what's up.
Q: When is there a dedicated right turn lane on the left side of the curb lane?
A: When the curb lane is a bike lane, lolz!
Damn right hand left hand confusion. I didn't learn that right in grade school and it keeps bubbling up from time to time.
What I *should* have said was:
Quote:
The bicycle lane (northbound) approaching 40th will be on the LEFT of a dedicated turning lane and the bike lane will start up again immediately after 40th.
Is there a technical term for right/left dyslexia? Usually I am careful enough to catch it, but once in a while I still slip up.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:35 am
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snyd3282 wrote:
Is there a technical term for right/left dyslexia? Usually I am careful enough to catch it, but once in a while I still slip up.
"I believe that's called Sexlexia."
And for the record, using the Fremont Bridge or the Ballard Locks to go around Ballard Bridge isn't bad (the Ballard Locks actually make a great way to get downtown), but both of those close at 9pm. After that I just take a bus rather than deal with the Bridge of Doom.
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