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A fatality.
Ick. And that's about 7 blocks from where I live. I bike through that intersection all the time.
Me thinks a ghost bike is in order. I have three or four redneck bikes in my garage that have been sitting there, abandoned, for three years or more. I think one of those would do nicely.
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:59 pm
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vaticdart wrote:
A fatality.
Ick. And that's about 7 blocks from where I live. I bike through that intersection all the time.
Me thinks a ghost bike is in order. I have three or four redneck bikes in my garage that have been sitting there, abandoned, for three years or more. I think one of those would do nicely.
fuck. I know a couple guys from Rubicon racing who ride that bike. Report on PI said it was a 39yo and the position looks like something a racer would ride. So sad.
tiktok
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:18 pm
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From Slog:
Seattle Police are still investigating the cause of the accident, but Slogtipper Ric, who witnesses the accident, says:
"My guess is...that the van moved right in order to execute a u-turn to the left, and didn't see the bike; while at the same time the bike went left to go around the van and didn't anticipate the u-turn. Splat.
The guy looked the part of a serious biker— all lycra & helmet. As we came down the hill, he was easily going 35."
n_claw
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:20 pm
Joined: 02 Jul 2007Posts: 517Location: the only hill: Beacon
Fuck. I hate ghostbike time. Sounds like Paul has a ghostbike or three, anybody have any of the following to donate? list:
white spray paint
chain
lock
I'll make the sign tonight.
vaticdart
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:28 pm
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n_claw wrote:
Fuck. I hate ghostbike time. Sounds like Paul has a ghostbike or three, anybody have any of the following to donate? list:
white spray paint
chain
lock
I'll make the sign tonight.
It just occurred to me that I have an extra cheapo U Lock we could use.
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martin
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:37 pm
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tiktok wrote:
The guy looked the part of a serious biker— all lycra & helmet. As we came down the hill, he was easily going 35."
Fuck. Stanglor and I pretty much certainly know the guy, the squid community isn't that big. So sad.
tehschkott
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:25 pm
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It's official. Dude died. 39yo, sumthin sumthin name being withheld.
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henry
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:26 pm
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Very sad. It will be really interesting to hear if the driver was negligent or if it was just a really shitty accident.
If that's true this story just got even more depressing. According to his team page he's married with 2 young daughters, who also ride.
key lime
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:21 pm
it never happenedJoined: 13 Mar 2008Posts: 1142Location: Wallenfjord
Never met him, that I recall
but this email just went out in my department (Physiology & Biophysics)
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I am very sorry to inform you that Kevin Black, a research technologist in the Zagotta lab, died this morning in a bike accident.
A counselor from Carelink will be here for a debriefing on Friday, Feb. 6, 10
am to noon, in the G417 conference room. All are welcome to attend.
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a quick publication search indicates he's been here since at least 1995
a conversation I had with Bill Zagotta about their work lead directly into the project I've been workin on since mid October
small world
vaticdart
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:00 pm
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
The count from my garage is: two old mountain bikes, and one road-ish cruiser thing. Any and all ready to be hoisted into pallid eternity.
It doesn't sound like this thing is going to happen tonight, but maybe Friday night? I was planning on riding the FHR route on Saturday, but I imagine that won't take all day. Sunday is open too.
Or maybe we can combine it with the waffle ride.
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:16 pm
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Let's keep it separate from waffles. Friday night's good for me.
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please keep your itinerary up for Friday night. I want to ride out with this.
vaticdart
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:33 pm
Joined: 02 Aug 2007Posts: 649Location: Inside a Bell
Friday it is.
6:30 at the site of the accident work for people? I will bring a bike and a U Lock.
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ragnar
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:38 pm
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I'll try and be there
corpusjuris
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:27 pm
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This makes me so so sad, and so so angry, and it's hard to be far away. I will be there friday, in spirit, as much as I can.
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tiktok
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:32 am
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Here's another purported eye-witness account of the accident, which changes the picture I'd built up: van is on the right and pulls out to U-turn left. Unfortunately it sounds like KB may have played the "anticipate the light pattern" card at the wrong time. I see people do this a lot at Leary and 8th on the commute home, and it freaks out drivers:
"I was there. I was coming down 24th and he came from my left, out of the neighborhood and into the center lane next to the car in front of me. As that car passed he swerved in front of me, to the bike lane and picked up speed for the hill. I dont know how fast I was going, but I am usually about 5 over down that hill and he was passing the cars in front of me. He was moving. As he approached the red light at 65th, I noticed that he really wasnt slowing down and I guessed that he was anticipating the light. When the light turned green he was passing cars in the bike lane and the van pulled away from the curb where the bus stop is. He swung wide to the left to go around the van. I think he thought the van was just pulling out into traffic, but when he realized the van was making a u-turn, he laid the bike down and slid under the van.
I was third on the scene and thank God for the guy in front of me, the fireman. He and the grocery clerk started CPR after we pulled the bicyclist out from under the van. It was horrible.
I dont know if the u-turn was legal, but that guy was cookin down that hill. I am sure that the the woman in the van checked her mirrors, but he snuck up on her. I can say for certain that he was not practicing the rules of the road."
langston
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:55 am
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tiktok wrote:
I can say for certain that he was not practicing the rules of the road."[/i]
hmm. The old adage is true; "Speed Kils". I'm assuming eye-witness reports are true. With the large volume of Stupid daily commuters, especially squiddy racers, have to deal with it is hard to ask anyone to slow down but it is hard to imagine if he were riding in a more responsible manner that this wouldn't have happened.
I hate to see cyclists hit and killed under any circumstance and will be bearing witness to the ghost bike tomorrow but this stands a good lesson to us all to chill the F out just a tad while we're out there racing the wind.
Stanglor
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:03 am
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langston wrote:
With the large volume of Stupid daily commuters, especially squiddy racers
Blow me Fuckhead.
Bend over and fucking blow me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:33 am
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RCW 46.61.295
"U" turns.
(1) The driver of any vehicle shall not turn such vehicle so as to proceed in the opposite direction unless such movement can be made in safety and without interfering with other traffic.
seems like the u-turn was illegal, based on the rcw. sure as shit interfered with other traffic. but hey, it was probably just an accident. i sure hope the "i just didn't see it" defense works for me w.r.t. stop signs and red lights. at 35mph it is just so hard to see anything smaller than a car.
also, seriously fuck that eyewitness and their fucking hypocrisy and quite generous assumption that van woman checked her mirrors - how the fuck do you know that, prof. xavier? all i can say for certain is that your 5mph over the speed-limit ass wasn't practicing the rules of the road either, and you should count your blessings that you weren't in a fucking ridiculous accident and keep the speculation and editorializing to a minimum.
it's morning again in rageville.
tehschkott
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:48 am
daywalkerJoined: 09 Nov 2007Posts: 6108Location: Hatertown
Law abiding, even angry motorists aren't our threat. It's the drivers that do stupid shit, make a right on a no-right turn, make a u-turn, scream through a light, whatever. Those are the fuckers that will kill me one day.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:48 am
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this is exactly the shit that gets stuck all up in my craw. every single time something like this happens, the attitude of the public at large seems to be "dude had it coming." i don't understand how the dude is in the bike lane and not running a red light and "not practicing the rules of the road" when the van making an illegal u-turn, which, you know, happened to also crush someone fatally, is.
what. the. fuck.
can we spraypaint this tardbarge white, too?
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henry
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:49 am
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Stanglor wrote:
langston wrote:
With the large volume of Stupid daily commuters, especially squiddy racers
Blow me Fuckhead.
Bend over and fucking blow me.
Lаngston, you might want to rephrase that seeing as the racer squidsies are on the more experienced side of the commuter aptitude scale.
Oh man, oh man, I've had so many scary moments with folks pulling U-turns in front of me. "OH I'll just turn around here!" There's nothing quite like almost getting killed to really piss you off.
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martin
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:59 am
Joined: 30 Jan 2006Posts: 712
lantius wrote:
RCW 46.61.295
"U" turns.
(1) The driver of any vehicle shall not turn such vehicle so as to proceed in the opposite direction unless such movement can be made in safety and without interfering with other traffic.
seems like the u-turn was illegal, based on the rcw. sure as shit interfered with other traffic. but hey, it was probably just an accident. i sure hope the "i just didn't see it" defense works for me w.r.t. stop signs and red lights. at 35mph it is just so hard to see anything smaller than a car.
also, seriously fuck that eyewitness and their fucking hypocrisy and quite generous assumption that van woman checked her mirrors - how the fuck do you know that, prof. xavier? all i can say for certain is that your 5mph over the speed-limit ass wasn't practicing the rules of the road either, and you should count your blessings that you weren't in a fucking ridiculous accident and keep the speculation and editorializing to a minimum.
it's morning again in rageville.
Sadly the police report indicates the guy was trying to take a Left turn, not a U-turn like I've read in EVERY eye witness report. Sadly there will be no ticket or charge on this one. I'm sure the grief she will live with will be more painful.
pete jr
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:07 am
Joined: 13 Dec 2005Posts: 1930Location: balls deepx
that vehicular manslaughter law cannot fucking pass soon enough.
sixtothe20
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:09 am
Joined: 27 Jun 2008Posts: 1Location: Seattle
Memorial Ride Tonight
People are meeting at 5:30 at 24th and 65th tonight for an unofficial ride. We don't know yet where we will go, but will start with just meeting up and being together during a difficult time and then go from there. All are welcome, whether on bikes or foot or whatever.
langston
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:15 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
Stanglor wrote:
langston wrote:
With the large volume of Stupid daily commuters, especially squiddy racers
Blow me Fuckhead.
Bend over and fucking blow me.
Maybe I should rephrase that for easier reading comprehension
"With the large volume of "Stupid" daily commuters, especially squiddy racers, have to deal with it is"
I was referring to the large volume of unsafe, oblivious AUTOS that daily commuters experience on their rides and how at high-speed, easilly avoidable traffic situations can escalate for riders. If a cyclist is going too fast to avoid a generally expectable situation (left turns? really?), they're going too fast for the situation.
No one deserves to die, and I have empathy for his friends and loved ones, and for the driver who took a life inadvertanly.
Finn
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:25 am
AlabamaJoined: 15 Sep 2006Posts: 303Location: Central District
Okay, Langston, when cyclist start getting car commuters killed, we'll open the discussion of who is oblivious and at what consequence. For now let's all simmer down and consult our consciences about this tragedy.
I'll be up there on Friday ready to do some work.
n_claw
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:49 am
Joined: 02 Jul 2007Posts: 517Location: the only hill: Beacon
can't you guys just kiss and make up in some back alleyway already? Langston is fulfilling his role here as "the guy with the bag of inappropriate comments available at a moment's notice for sensitive situations", and you're only going to rageville in a handbasket.
just be safe, you motherfuckers. and to the friends and family and team mates: my sincerest condolences, nobody deserves this.
key lime
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:11 pm
it never happenedJoined: 13 Mar 2008Posts: 1142Location: Wallenfjord
pete jr wrote:
that vehicular manslaughter law cannot fucking pass soon enough.
For those of us who are in the know - like me - got a link?
pete jr
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:50 pm
Joined: 13 Dec 2005Posts: 1930Location: balls deepx
i unfortunately misread it the first time, and it's not as strong as i thought, but this is what i was talking about. not manslaughter, though, "assault by vehicle" which would be a gross misdemeanor. seeing that the city is unwilling to push for manslaughter just about ever, i guess it's an improvement?
and either way it wouldn't help here, i guess, if the police report says left turn instead of u-turn.
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