Helen Keller, WHAT?Joined: 30 Sep 2005Posts: 395Location: Ballard
Dude, Shitmano has been unrepairable for about twenty years now. This is not news. This is only stupid people in need of batteries.
SeditiousCanary
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:19 pm
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I made the same assertions on USENET about this bike. It's an expensive solution to a problem which doesn't exist, while creating a whole slew of new problems.
I admire them for the idea, but I fail to see it's use as it is currently planned. $14K for a bike you don't want to get rained on indeed...
Wow... $1200 extra for a system that can run out of batteries.
If I were a pro racer and I thought that this would give me an advantage, I'd totally ask my sponsor to buy it for me. If for no other reason than that I didn't want my competitors to have an advantage I didn't. It seems unlikely that systems like that will ever prevent the rest of us from getting good quality mechanical drivetrain parts, though. After all, Shimano still makes down tube shifters.
I don't think it's anything to worry about. Just something else to laugh at when dentists put it on the sweep bars on their Madones.
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No engineer would ever say an item is unrepairable, it's just your repair budget is too small.
I just don't understand what advantage it gives you though. It doesn't shift faster- the limiting factor in shifting speed is still your cassette/chainring and chain, not the derailleur. It's not lighter- because most of the bikes in the Protour are already under 6.8 kg and need added weight. It's not more reliable- you're relying on solenoids that can short or run out of batteries.
I mean, I thought Campy 11 speed was a gimmick, but this is off the chart.
jillita
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:32 am
Joined: 13 Oct 2005Posts: 744Location: the westside
Matthew wrote:
I mean, I thought Campy 11 speed was a gimmick, but this is off the chart.
Just wait until Campy releases their electronic drivetrain system. I don't quite buy that they're waiting for the economy to turn to release it. I think they're waiting to see how Shimano's is received and whether it tanks. For the love of Tullio I hope it never sees the light of day.
I can see Type AAA time trialists and triathletes getting it to improve their times, but if Shimano thinks they're going to get the commercial masses to buy into this they're mad. Try improving your cheap-ass levers so they don't break and need to be fully replaced after 1,000 miles.
key lime
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:23 pm
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my squidtarded coworker was telling me about his friend with one of these on his bike a couple months ago - he wanted one of course
then I imagine he went home and blamed his sylphan girlfriend for his inability to maintain an erection
dennyt
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:58 pm
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After overhearing a serious discussion of water bottle aerodynamics at the start of a 'cross race, I'm sure there will be enough racers lined up to buy this system to make Shimano some money.
Since a dollar bill weighs approximately 1 gram, and the new Di2 is $1200 more expensive but only 50-100 grams lighter than DuraAce 7900, there is a larger performance benefit to removing 1200 dollar bills from your wallet and stuffing them into your opponents jersey pockets.
QED
1200 grams is about 2.65 lbs, it's not insignificant. For the record, I'd be glad to help anyone achieve large performance gains at the start of FHR. My jersey has three pockets, and I'm sure we can stuff some more into an empty waterbottle and my saddlebag.
A quarter weighs 5.67 grams. 40 quarters to a roll is almost exactly a half a pound of performance.
You guys think I'm kidding. I'm here to help you win!
martin
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:08 pm
Joined: 30 Jan 2006Posts: 712
Matthew wrote:
I just don't understand what advantage it gives you though. It doesn't shift faster- the limiting factor in shifting speed is still your cassette/chainring and chain, not the derailleur.
You say this because haven't ridden it. It shifts IMMEDIATELY and crisply. If your livelihood is your bike and performance must be 100%, you might want it. I still think it's stupid pricy. Even the new DA is stupid pricy, but this stuff's shifting is quite remarkable.
-squid
langston
Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:14 pm
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 5547Location: Columbia City
martin wrote:
Matthew wrote:
I just don't understand what advantage it gives you though. It doesn't shift faster- the limiting factor in shifting speed is still your cassette/chainring and chain, not the derailleur.
You say this because haven't ridden it. It shifts IMMEDIATELY and crisply. If your livelihood is your bike and performance must be 100%, you might want it. I still think it's stupid pricy. Even the new DA is stupid pricy, but this stuff's shifting is quite remarkable.
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