TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
bellevue-ites (myself excluded, obviously) generally tend to need to be beaten with some kind of blunt object to smack some sense into them.
some jackass in a beemer was honking at me on my way home from work yesterday because he couldn't pass me, and there was no way i was hopping up onto the sidewalk to let him go by. then, as luck would have it, i had to stop at a redlight beside him. conversation went something like this:
jackass wrote:
get off the fucking road!
torch wrote:
it's illegal for me to ride on the fucking sidewalk, jackass!
jackass wrote:
fuck you! *starts opening his door to get out*
torch wrote:
uh huh, right. what the fuck are you gonna do, tough guy?
jackass wrote:
...
crickets wrote:
*chirp*
jackass wrote:
*slowly gets back in car, closes door*
torch wrote:
yeah right, that's what i thought, yuppie. *middle finger*
traffic light wrote:
*green*
i was feeling kinda surly yesterday.
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derrickito
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:22 am
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it doesnt hurt your case any that you tower over most people. im sure you wouldnt go out of your way to pound someone, but just the thought that you could pretty easily usually sways most situations in your favor eh?
jillita
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:26 am
Joined: 13 Oct 2005Posts: 744Location: the westside
Torch wrote:
i was feeling kinda surly yesterday.
You've just won yourself a prize. I've been waiting to give this to the right person. Tonight!!!
joeball
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:27 am
Joined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 6037Location: Ether
If Seattle is trying to become a bike friendly city then Bellevue must be doing it's darndest to be come the evil sister anti-bike city. My least favorite part of riding around Lake Washington is coming through Bellevue. Drivers seem to flip out immediately though, cyclists don't seem as common over there and I would half expect drivers to not fly off the handle so quickly. Mercer Island I can understand, the perimeter loop is only two lanes, curvy, and one of the only possible routes to access many of the homes. Bellevue on the other hand has practically a perfect grid with WIDE 4 lane, plus center lane roads. Freaking go around the bike. I guess the big lanes are a problem because cars are going ~40mph on surface streets so a ~15-20mph cyclist is more of a threat to delaying Must See HD-TV.
Torch
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:36 am
TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
derrickito wrote:
it doesnt hurt your case any that you tower over most people. im sure you wouldnt go out of your way to pound someone, but just the thought that you could pretty easily usually sways most situations in your favor eh?
it's true what you say.
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trashtalker
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:36 am
Joined: 06 Oct 2005Posts: 78Location: Redmond
I think it is mostly those that drive around Seattle are used to bicyclists. Those in Bellevue like to have their SUVs and act all real big and tough. SUCKS! I am not into that and I think there is a real personality issue over here. Being semi-involved about the trail and the changes on the E LK Sam way project, I heard so many stories from the city officials about how much residents are upset that we are making/creating areas for bicyclists or that bicyclists are using the roads when they should use the sidewalks, etc. They don't understand or care about the rules that bicyclists have. They just live in their 'cush' homes, driving their tush in their 'cush' SUVs and being asses!
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Torch
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:37 am
TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
joeball wrote:
If Seattle is trying to become a bike friendly city then Bellevue must be doing it's darndest to be come the evil sister anti-bike city. My least favorite part of riding around Lake Washington is coming through Bellevue. Drivers seem to flip out immediately though, cyclists don't seem as common over there and I would half expect drivers to not fly off the handle so quickly. Mercer Island I can understand, the perimeter loop is only two lanes, curvy, and one of the only possible routes to access many of the homes. Bellevue on the other hand has practically a perfect grid with WIDE 4 lane, plus center lane roads. Freaking go around the bike. I guess the big lanes are a problem because cars are going ~40mph on surface streets so a ~15-20mph cyclist is more of a threat to delaying Must See HD-TV.
it's also true what YOU say. the other problem with the wide 4-lane roads is that all the goddamn h2s take up a lane and a half, so people can't pass THEM either.
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dennyt
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:37 am
rocket mechanicJoined: 02 Aug 2005Posts: 2708
Good Jorb Scotty! Although it's not technically illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, you do have the right to ride in the road.
Joined: 04 Sep 2005Posts: 99Location: Stockholm, Sverige
Hmm. Maybe tonight we should ride to Bellevue and go visit some of these nice folks? I bet they'd be just thrilled to have a whole pile of bicycles sharing the road with their H2s.
Or maybe I just want to see someone get in a fist fight.
megafauna
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:07 am
Joined: 06 Oct 2005Posts: 250Location: first hill
dennyt wrote:
Good Jorb Scotty! Although it's not technically illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, you do have the right to ride in the road.
Last time I looked through the RCWs, I convinced myself that riding on the sidewalk is illegal. The RCW says that it is illegal to opperate a vehicle on the sidewalk and a bicycle fits its definition of a vehicle.
Not that I really care what is and isn't illegal. I ride on the sidewalk all the time. Cops are too busy to write sidewalk riding tickets.
Every person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk or crosswalk must be granted all of the rights and is subject to all of the duties applicable to a pedestrian by this chapter.
lieutenantsean
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:16 am
Joined: 10 Oct 2005Posts: 1255
Some people are just assholes.
There is always some asshat fuckstick who will pull something. This morning after I turned off Sand Point Way into NOAA, some twit bitch in a VW decided I was going too slowly and passed me, rougly 100 feet before the ID checkpoint. Unfortunately for her, the gate guard was busy with someone who had to wait. Even more unfortunately for her, the gate guard saw me coming with my ID out and waved me through while the shit stain in the VW was still waiting to get through the line.
Ahh, justice.
The flip side is there is usually one motorist in the morning who will go out of their way to let me cross 527, change lanes, or something. Then there are the thousands that just let me interact with traffic and leave me the hell alone. Also, there are the people in cars who stop at the bike trail crossings even though the cyclists are the ones who are supposed to stop.
To keep myself sane and balanced, these are the people I try to remember when some choad has done something that pisses me off.
News flash. Portland is supposed to be the most bike friendly city in the US. It's not much better than Seattle. How they got that title is beyond me.
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Torch
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:25 am
TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
i nominate denny as .83's new lawyer.
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RCW 46.61.790
Intoxicated bicyclists.
(1) A law enforcement officer may offer to transport a bicycle rider who appears to be under the influence of alcohol or any drug and who is walking or moving along or within the right of way of a public roadway, unless the bicycle rider is to be taken into protective custody under RCW 70.96A.120. The law enforcement officer offering to transport an intoxicated bicycle rider under this section shall:
(a) Transport the intoxicated bicycle rider to a safe place; or
(b) Release the intoxicated bicycle rider to a competent person.
(2) The law enforcement officer shall not provide the assistance offered if the bicycle rider refuses to accept it. No suit or action may be commenced or prosecuted against the law enforcement officer, law enforcement agency, the state of Washington, or any political subdivision of the state for any act resulting from the refusal of the bicycle rider to accept this assistance.
(3) The law enforcement officer may impound the bicycle operated by an intoxicated bicycle rider if the officer determines that impoundment is necessary to reduce a threat to public safety, and there are no reasonable alternatives to impoundment. The bicyclist will be given a written notice of when and where the impounded bicycle may be reclaimed. The bicycle may be reclaimed by the bicycle rider when the bicycle rider no longer appears to be intoxicated, or by an individual who can establish ownership of the bicycle. The bicycle must be returned without payment of a fee. If the bicycle is not reclaimed within thirty days, it will be subject to sale or disposal consistent with agency procedures.
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derrickito
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:28 am
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i have the above rcw law printed out on my fridge. it's my favorite
The RCW says that it is illegal to opperate a vehicle on the sidewalk.
I've driven a car on sidewalks. It's awesome.
Not that I like cars or anything,
And that fixed gear gallery discussion is rad Denny.
I had a shark waved at me once. The guy was yelling the theme song from Jaws.
lantius
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:58 am
1337Joined: 22 Jul 2005Posts: 6705Location: right over
note that that RCW is kosher here in WA but in other states (Idaho!) you can actually get a DUI for riding your bicycle drunk. retarded!
megafauna
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:49 am
Joined: 06 Oct 2005Posts: 250Location: first hill
Say what? I could swear that I have met at least one person who got a DUI on his bike.
terrydean
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:50 am
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
Not from round here you didn't!
futurenorth
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:42 pm
Bed BleederJoined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 839Location: Ballard
In my opinion, Portland is a very bike friendly city. Way much more so than Seattle ever will be.
They've got blue lanes, bike boxes, bike lanes all over the city and a huge percentage of the population rides bikes. They have a huge community feel that is evident whether you're a one day visitor or if you've been there for years.
Roadies, punks, and recumbants all nod or at least wave and the ones that don't are in the minority.
That's my perspective.
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lieutenantsean
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:09 pm
Joined: 10 Oct 2005Posts: 1255
Downtown and the inner eastside out to say, SE 12th are ok places to ride bikes. Beyond that, you are on your own.
The bike path from Sellwood park to downtown rocks. The surface is smooth and it doesn't cross any roads. But that's part of it's problem. It only has two access points.
The east side bike path (runs roughly parallel to I-205) is ok in spots. They just reworked the crossing at Powell so you go over the road. Also, I really dug the crossing at Johnson Creek Boulevard. Following the trail gets a little contorted around Flavel and again around Mall 205.
Didn't ride the Springwater Corridor much.
As much as I poke at the BG trail, things like access are easier and drivers in Seattle are more indulgent at the crossings.
I'm feeling the same level of community up here in Seattle, and I've seen the same (in some ways more) concessions to cyclists up here. Also, I see comparable numbers of bicycle commuters.
It's not that Seattle is bad or Portland is good, or vice versa. There just isn't a hell of a lot of difference.
However, the one thing Portland has that Seattle desparately needs is a light rail system. Seattle would rock with a light rail.
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terrydean
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:13 pm
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
futurenorth wrote:
In my opinion, Portland is a very bike friendly city. Way much more so than Seattle ever will be.
They've got blue lanes, bike boxes, bike lanes all over the city and a huge percentage of the population rides bikes. They have a huge community feel that is evident whether you're a one day visitor or if you've been there for years.
Roadies, punks, and recumbants all nod or at least wave and the ones that don't are in the minority.
That's my perspective.
Heck yes, Jason and I rode all over Portland one Sunday, my first and only time ever being there, and EVERYWHERE you looked there was someone on a bike smiling and waving to us.. it was nuts! And I loved riding on the huge 6 lane streets over the bridges and no cars were honking or being asses.. it was awesome.
PS, Jason, when you wanna take picts?
trashtalker
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:02 pm
Joined: 06 Oct 2005Posts: 78Location: Redmond
My understanding is it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk in a 'business district'. *shrug*
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Torch
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:02 am
TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
harlot wrote:
Torch wrote:
i was feeling kinda surly yesterday.
You've just won yourself a prize. I've been waiting to give this to the right person. Tonight!!!
jill, i'm totally wearing the hat at work today. since none of the old church ladies know what "Surly" is, they keep asking me what it means. I'm telling them that it's a new product that I'm marketing: mood caps. You wear whichever cap best describes how you're feeling that day. They usually stop talking to me at that point.
I'm kind of an ass.
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joeball
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:09 am
Joined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 6037Location: Ether
Torch wrote:
I'm kind of an ass.
I think "Surly" would be a better description than "Ass"
jillita
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:58 am
Joined: 13 Oct 2005Posts: 744Location: the westside
Torch wrote:
jill, i'm totally wearing the hat at work today. since none of the old church ladies know what "Surly" is, they keep asking me what it means. I'm telling them that it's a new product that I'm marketing: mood caps. You wear whichever cap best describes how you're feeling that day. They usually stop talking to me at that point.
I'm kind of an ass.
hahahahaaaa that's awesome! Anything I can do to confuse church ladies. I'll see if I can find you a "Sassy" hat too. :)
Torch
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:09 am
TerranceJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1637Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
harlot wrote:
Torch wrote:
jill, i'm totally wearing the hat at work today. since none of the old church ladies know what "Surly" is, they keep asking me what it means. I'm telling them that it's a new product that I'm marketing: mood caps. You wear whichever cap best describes how you're feeling that day. They usually stop talking to me at that point.
I'm kind of an ass.
hahahahaaaa that's awesome! Anything I can do to confuse church ladies. I'll see if I can find you a "Sassy" hat too. :)
please do. ;)
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terrydean
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:29 am
rocker boiJoined: 24 Jul 2005Posts: 1535Location: santa fe, i think
She ment "sissy" not "sassy". Sissy.
lieutenantsean
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:42 pm
Joined: 10 Oct 2005Posts: 1255
Pop a cold one and follow this link. I believe this says it all:
There is no such ting as a "Beemer".
A "Beamer" is a BMW motorcycle and a "Bimmer" is a BMW auto.
KNOW WHAT YER SAYIN IF YER GUNNA TALK SHIT!
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Aaron
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:14 am
Joined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 4645
trashtalker wrote:
My understanding is it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk in a 'business district'. *shrug*
NOPE! You just have to ride at a reasonable pedestrian like speed.
RCW 46.61.755
Traffic laws apply to persons riding bicycles.
(1) Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this chapter, except as to special regulations in RCW 46.61.750 through 46.61.780 and except as to those provisions of this chapter which by their nature can have no application.
(2) Every person riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk or crosswalk must be granted all of the rights and is subject to all of the duties applicable to a pedestrian by this chapter.
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