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Come to this, then go do the normal Tuesday ride.
Join us for a quick “flash” action to declare our collective support for completion of the Burke-Gilman Trail Missing Link - from Fred Meyer to the Ballard Locks. Let’s demonstrate that the trail is for A L L of us, and that WE ARE THE MISSING LINK! We would be honored to have you stand with us.
In 1997, the Ballard Neighborhood Plan identified completion of the trail as its #2 priority. In 2003, Seattle City Council adopted a preferred route along the rail right-of-way, and directed Seattle Dept. of Transportation to design and seek funding. In spring 2009, SDOT prepared to put the project out to bid - but several business groups filed a lawsuit opposing trail construction. It’s time to move on and get the trail built …
Who/What: A gathering of ALL TRAIL SUPPORTERS, be they walkers, skaters, strollers, bicyclers, moms, dads, kids, grannies, for a silent show of support honoring the trail and the decades of hard work it took to get us to this point.
When: Tuesday, October 27, 5:30pm-6:30pm
Where: Shilshole Ave NW, opposite 17th Ave NW, just west of the Ballard Bridge - look for the people with the blinking lights!
How: Walk, bike, run, skate, glide
What Else?: B.Y.O.”Blinky” red light if you’ve got one, and bring your bikes, strollers, walkers, wheelchairs, dogs and skateboards.
We’ll have cool orange “WE ARE THE MISSING LINK” T-shirts for the first 100 participants (donations accepted).
Be prepared for inclement weather - rain or shine, we’ll be there!
Join us as well for the after-party nearby at Dutch Bike Seattle, 6:30pm, 4421 Shilshole Ave - just east of the Ballard Bridge. Beer and NA drinks will be provided. We will have a grill set up so bring your grillables.
This action supported by Sustainable Ballard, Friends of the Burke-Gilman Trail, Totcycle/Kidical Mass, Feet First, Groundswell NW, Seattle Likes Bikes, Cascade Bicycle Club, Undriving.org, CoolMom, Spokespeople, SCALLOPS, Urban Sparks, Sunset Hill Community Association, Washington Liveaboard Association, and thousands of Seattle citizens …
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:16 am
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i'll try to be there.
give us a heads up day of, as my secretary is out of town that day.
this better not be 14 people.
gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:26 am
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I figure even if it is just 14 people, at least I have my Halloween Joby costume covered.
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mcrawfor
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:45 am
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henry
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:25 am
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The Henry Plan looks like this:
Make Ballard ave a one lane one way, or better yet car free road. Put in wide bike lanes (on either side of the parked cars, i don't care).
Then have the burke look something like this:
But you say "Henry! This is not fair to BICYCLES!, I WANT TO RIDE THE SAME WAY I RIDE NOW BUT WITH NO CARS"
And i say Ballard is sucking more and more all the time because the cool old shit is getting pushed out by shitty new things (see Zayda Buddies or King's Hardware). After talking this over with another business owner on Shilshole (who's very liberal and a biker) i actually believe that putting bike lanes along shilshole will force Salmon Bay to close or move. Once they go that whole section of waterfront becomes prime douchey condo property. The boat yards and other light industrial will disappear as people slowly get zoning changed.
Putting bikes on Ballard Ave will make an already cool pedestrian street much cooler and more inviting.
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jeff wrote:
I like King's Hardware. They have decent sliders and a decent Jack's hard lemonade.
And a cute waitress with an adorable muffintop with every pair of pants she wears!
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fatasian
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:00 am
dick wang's fatherJoined: 26 Aug 2008Posts: 1707Location: devenshire
corpusjuris wrote:
jeff wrote:
I like King's Hardware. They have decent sliders and a decent Jack's hard lemonade.
And a cute waitress with an adorable muffintop with every pair of pants she wears!
and ski ball
henry
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:31 am
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
Guys i'm trying to launch a mayoral campaign here, can we get back on the topic of my revolutionary proposal to increase the livability of own of our cities most exciting urban villages?
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henry wrote:
After talking this over with another business owner on Shilshole (who's very liberal and a biker) i actually believe that putting bike lanes along shilshole will force Salmon Bay to close or move.
more information please? i know salmon bay has been waving this flag around a ton, but i'm not sure what the basis of this is.
i do feel bad for salmon bay though. all the business from condo construction in ballard that's eventually going to drive them out of town sure must been hard for them to turn away on principle.
i like the 2006 route. it dodges up ballard to avoid salmon bay s&g, and then back down on vernon. what i still don't quite get is the ballard toy railroad and why the route can't then just connect along that right-of-way paralleling 54th, but that's a different fight.
i think trying to take a multi-use trail (not just a bike lane, but a true trail like the bgt everywhere else) up across market and through 22nd isn't really feasible.
jsmg
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:49 am
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corpusjuris wrote:
jeff wrote:
I like King's Hardware. They have decent sliders and a decent Jack's hard lemonade.
And a cute waitress with an adorable muffintop with every pair of pants she wears!
Amen.
henry
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:00 pm
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
They become uninsurable if all the traffic in or out of their property crosses a bike path. Remember that these are giant trucks they're bringing in, not individual cars driven by civilians.
I've long doubted this claim simply because the dude that owns that place is such an enormous douchebag and always poops out fury when this issue comes up online, but apparently it's very true.
Retarded, yes. Obviously people already use this as a bike way, but thanks to the Trial Lawyers of America making this an official bike lane introduces an uninsurable liability.
Apparently the problem is somewhat mitigated if you put the path on the north side of Shilshole, but that involves eliminating a huge chunk of parking which everyone else in Ballard would fight tooth and nail (i could care less and think that if it were possible this would be the best option).
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:13 pm
Grumpy GreebJoined: 20 Aug 2005Posts: 5329Location: flavor country
solution.
make the north side parking parallel to the street instead of perpendicular, and then put the trail on the north side of the parking incorporating the sidewalk space.
compromises are beautiful.
parking, insurance and bikes!
henry
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:20 pm
somewhat piggishJoined: 05 Aug 2005Posts: 5415Location: on porch with shotgun
The way i see the missing link is that it's not really for us. We have clearly figured out how to get through that section and it works pretty well.
It's for the people who lack the confidence or experience to ride along shilshole and therefore are actually unable (more like unwilling) to use the trail to get from gasworks to golden gardens.
Turning Ballard into a human powered shopping street would make ballard so cool! It's not like that's an important route for transpirational driving, i'd wager that along that stretch at least 10% of trips are people circling to hunt for parking.
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corpusjuris wrote:
jeff wrote:
I like King's Hardware. They have decent sliders and a decent Jack's hard lemonade.
And a cute waitress with an adorable muffintop with every pair of pants she wears!
Isn't it a legal requirement of waitresses in Seattle that they have cute muffintops?
King's sliders are decent, but The Jolly Roger, once they reopen, has better ones.
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gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:17 pm
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Salmon Bay already has a lot of trucks that cross the Burke-Gilman Trail every day right here. Yet somehow they are apparently insured.
Somehow, the Port of Seattle runs an entire island next to a bike trail. The Port of Seattle, people. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer by any means.
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sorahn
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 pm
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I don't even think they're in the right drawer...
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gsbarnes
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:37 pm
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I hear they hire illegal aliens to do their IT work.
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corpusjuris
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:43 pm
Don't you ever lie to meJoined: 12 May 2008Posts: 1059Location: Boat on a hill
henry wrote:
The Henry Plan looks like this:
Make Ballard ave a one lane one way, or better yet car free road. Put in wide bike lanes (on either side of the parked cars, i don't care).
Then have the burke look something like this:
I ride the end of the Burke every time I get on/off my bike (like many here I live in Ballard, but my particular location above the locks leaves probably only the Beard with the daily eyes-on on the whole mess at the end of the path) and I love the idea of making Ballard car-free. There'd be some difficulties with commercial deliveries to businesses along that stretch but I don't see why it wouldn't be insurmountable.
However, instead of turning and going up to 22nd, I'd say make the whole road car free, all the way to the Ballard/Market intersection. Then along the block of Market prior to 24th removal of some parking and expanding the sidewalk would create a wide enough space for a mixed-use trail. The major change I'd like to see is just turn fucking Market into the Burke until the locks: it's a four lane road for that stretch that could easily be converted to two lanes + center turn lane. Move the burke to connect with the sidewalk so parking stays in the road and doesn't risk dooring/crossing the path, and bingo.
That's my involved description, but I get to think it over nearly every day.
Either way, Ballard as car-free is a win.
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snyd3282
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:09 pm
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Sylvie already has 20 people who told facebook that they are coming:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=156388528475&index=1 I'll be really pissed if it is just 14 people...I think we already have 14 organizers among the participating groups. I want to see 200+ people out there, but I think it would be a success if we even had 50.
This isn't a Cascade thing or a Seattle Likes Bikes thing, though Seattle Likes Bikes is gladly supporting it. From what I can tell, this originated in Sustainable Ballard. Given Mallahan and McGinn's performances in the King 5 Mayoral debate, a good turnout here could help frame the election more and help to give us a bike friendly mayor.
snyd3282
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:09 pm
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Bump ... this is happening tomorrow.
Rogelio
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:16 am
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gsbarnes wrote:
Somehow, the Port of Seattle runs an entire island next to a bike trail. The Port of Seattle, people. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer by any means.
Just putting this out there: I'm corporate information infrastructure, not seaport management.
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gsbarnes
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:59 am
Joined: 15 Aug 2006Posts: 2666Location: No Fun Town, USA
Rogelio wrote:
gsbarnes wrote:
Somehow, the Port of Seattle runs an entire island next to a bike trail. The Port of Seattle, people. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer by any means.
Just putting this out there: I'm corporate information infrastructure, not seaport management.
Plus everyone once in a while, they let Rogelio manage the real estate portfolio for a few days.
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laura
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:32 am
Joined: 22 Jun 2007Posts: 1050Location: wherever the dance party is
Is the missing link going to fix the crap intersection at the Fred Meyer?
Spealunker
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:37 am
sargeJoined: 08 Sep 2005Posts: 308Location: Fort Bragg NC
laura wrote:
Is the missing link going to fix the crap intersection at the Fred Meyer?
No
laura
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:08 am
Joined: 22 Jun 2007Posts: 1050Location: wherever the dance party is
Well, the missing link is still missing a link then.
vaticdart
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:31 am
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Spealunker wrote:
laura wrote:
Is the missing link going to fix the crap intersection at the Fred Meyer?
No
My understanding is that it would, if not fix it, at least make it better. Presumably the trail would extend from the current end at 11th and 45th, on the south side of 45th, so you wouldn't have to make the weird stop-s-turn-merge maneuver. I would assume there would be a crosswalk/trail crossing.
I have found that turning right there and riding up to 46th is much better, both at that intersection and elsewhere.
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snyd3282
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:46 am
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Missing link work or not, SDOT has time on the schedule and some BMP money in the budget to look at improvement options for that Fred Meyer dead end intersection in 2010.
If the point83 civil engineering design team has any brilliant solutions to that design mess, I'm sure SDOT could use the help.
Short of sticking a "5-way stop" sign under each of the stop signs, or putting a light in there with an all-way-bike stage, I'm coming up short in the ideas department for a better design.
Removal of all south side parking and paving a trail there might be another option. We'd want to add drainage so we wouldn't be pedaling through some 6" deep puddles. The safety issue with that is it reduces visibility with the boat dock traffic and the traffic in and out of another yard or two. There is also what looks like a loading dock on one of the buildings and a trail would block that...if it is ever used as a loading dock.
Eric_s
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:43 pm
Joined: 07 Mar 2007Posts: 1691Location: the dirty south
snyd3282 wrote:
blah blah blah blah
How about a great big giant roundabout? Or closing that street parallel to the trail for a block and re-routing bike traffic?
Also, just ride on leary and skip that whole dangerous intersection/ped heavy/sketchy newb cyclist zone, and call it good! what could go wrong?
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