"Police said that Araneta's bike didn't have brakes or a headlight, charging papers said."
lantius
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:56 pm
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and that's why we need to license children. what the fuck was that child doing out in the street without a helmet on?
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:09 pm
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lantius wrote:
and that's why we need to license children. what the fuck was that child doing out in the street without a helmet on?
Perhaps we should have some sort of identifying tattoo on children in order to properly track and manage them. To check for license fees, registration, and maintenance records.
A clunkers for cash program would do great things for American society.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:29 pm
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lantius wrote:
and that's why we need to license children. what the fuck was that child doing out in the street without a helmet on?
I see what you did there. Nice work, now report to the Times' comments.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:03 pm
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I know Rafael - met him at Mobius. Little dude with screwed up teeth. Nice enough guy. Sorry to see it went this way.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:06 pm
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you know, if we had a pedestrian tax we could get these pedestrians out of the road and onto separated pedestrian paths. we could just charge a small fee on every pair of shoes!
Chip McShoulder
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:42 pm
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lantius wrote:
you know, if we had a pedestrian tax we could get these pedestrians out of the road and onto separated pedestrian paths. we could just charge a small fee on every pair of shoes!
Furthermore, it is dangerous and irresponsible to operate a pair of shoes that is not properly equipped with laces. Sandals, or anything else with velcro for that matter, should be strictly prohibited.
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tehschkott wrote:
I know Rafael - met him at Mobius. Little dude with screwed up teeth. Nice enough guy. Sorry to see it went this way.
Yeah I kinda know him too. I spoke with him a couple times at critical mass. Just bad judgment on his part I guess. But I still think he should have had a front break on his bike though.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:08 pm
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lantius wrote:
you know, if we had a pedestrian tax we could get these pedestrians out of the road and onto separated pedestrian paths. we could just charge a small fee on every pair of shoes!
Pedestrians pay for their portion of the road with their property tax. We shouldn't tax them for something like gas tax unless they walk on the highway. I do think that we should tag each pedestrian with a reflective tag, just in case they are stolen.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:15 am
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This kind of reminds me of another rider I saw on the way in to work earlier this week: Headphones on, sunglasses on, no helmet, no brake fixie, bombing down Cap Hill in the pouring rain.
I shit you not.
Dude appeared to be running late for his appointment with an equally horrible tragedy or worse.
the dreaded ben
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:55 am
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jsmg wrote:
This kind of reminds me of another rider I saw on the way in to work earlier this week: Headphones on, sunglasses on, no helmet, no brake fixie, bombing down Cap Hill in the pouring rain.
I shit you not.
Dude appeared to be running late for his appointment with an equally horrible tragedy or worse.
dude sounds awesome
lantius
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:07 am
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koos42 wrote:
Pedestrians pay for their portion of the road with their property tax. We shouldn't tax them for something like gas tax unless they walk on the highway. I do think that we should tag each pedestrian with a reflective tag, just in case they are stolen.
that's bullshit, i don't get to drive my car in these "cross-walks"!!!
stupid pedestrians are always trying to cross the street when i'm taking my FREE RIGHT ON READ, learn the rules of the road, assholes!
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You guys are forgetting the real enemies here, Barrack Obama, and all his commie terrorist friends.
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You guys are forgetting the real enemies here, Barrack Obama, and all his commie terrorist friends.
Nationwide socialized healthcare is one step towards national socialist healthcare centers.
National socialist wellness camps if you will.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:18 pm
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wait a second here, you mean that riding a bike you're unable to stop quickly through a crowd of pedestrians and a red light may have possible negative consequences? SOMEONE BETTER CALL THE STRANGER.
tehschkott
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:49 pm
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Eric_s wrote:
wait a second here, you mean that riding a bike you're unable to stop quickly through a crowd of pedestrians and a red light may have possible negative consequences? SOMEONE BETTER CALL THE STRANGER.
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The author of that is a fucking nimrod who can't write. Two of his three points are that a motorist wouldn't have been arrested as quickly as a cyclist. His first point assumes that a car running over a kid won't make the news.
It will. It has. It will again.
If a car without lights or brakes ran a red light and smeared a 6 year old kid in Pike Place Market and the driver tried to take off, I'm pretty sure they'd track him down and arrest him too. Just as fast.
Listen, I know the guy. Raf isn't a bad dude. He just did a stupid fucking thing and then his kneejerk reaction was to run like hell. And he got popped. Shit happens to alright people on occasion. Sucks but there it is.
And David Hiller is a fucking nimrod if he tries to make his custerian stand defending a gutter punk without brakes who ran over a 6yo boy in broad daylight because he thought he could run a red light.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:56 am
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it probably wouldn't get 130 posts talking about how fucked up the entire culture of the automobile is and how it needs to be completely overhauled due to an extremely rare and isolated incident. teach the controversy!
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:31 am
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Hey Scott, remember that time a motorist shot a cyclist in the head while riding with his kid? The cager is going to serve a whopping 4 months in jail for that. Bullet. Your Head. 4 months. Because it was an accident, he didn't mean to shoot him with that gun he pointed at him. In Rafael's case it was just an accident, and accidents happen, so like no big deal he should pay a fine and go free, right? Even if you're a famous nerd oops, fuck off.
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So your argument is for more poorly and unjustly handled cases, not less? You're fighting the wrong fight. They get away with it, so we should too?
Yeah, no. I agree motorists need to be held more accountable for this shit. But that does not mean that we should be held less accountable, or that Raf is any less responsible for hitting that kid and seeing to the damage he did.
Please, trot out another little starving fucking kid with flies around their head to make your point. Fuck you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:31 pm
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You're not even arguing the same point, Scott.
The linked article said "Seems like bikes get prosecuted harder than cars"
You said "Cars get prosecuted hard too."
Kevin provided some examples of cars not getting prosecuted very hard.
Now you're attacking because kevin "thinks we should get away with it too?"
He never said that - in fact he implied the opposite.
If you're going to argue on the internet at least pay attention, or just cut to the horsecock.
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tehschkott
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:21 pm
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Don't condescend to me miles. Both the article and presumably hiller seem to be putting forth the argument that RAF shouldnt be held responsible, or should somehow be held less responsible because motorists seem to getaway with it more often often aren't held accountable. I think that's bullshit.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:53 pm
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I'm not condescending to you, I'm telling you you're wrong:
"we are impressed with the alacrity that police exercised in tracking down and arresting a suspect."
"We think the case with the 6-year-old is the way traffic justice should work. If the police report is correct, this is indeed a case of vehicular assault and hit-and-run. Neither should be tolerated in Seattle."
Hiller notes “an issue of perceived bias in the prosecution of motor vehicle offenses,” relating that “of 81 collisions in King County in 2007 that seem to meet the same standard of intent that Mr. Araneta (cyclist defendant who ran into boy) is being held to, none were prosecuted.”
... which clearly implies that the 81 collisions are in the wrong, not this one.
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lantius
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:56 pm
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does anybody have a link with more information on the specifics of this crash, by the way? i was wondering where it actually happened - "near pike market" is a pretty large swath of downtown.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:16 pm
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District Attorney will probably argue that hit and run drivers get prosecuted, too. Are there really 81 King County cases from 2007 of hit-and-run (vs. pedestrian) drivers getting tracked down but not prosecuted? Possible, but I doubt it.
Also, the reason the guy was 'tracked down and arrested' was because passers-by grabbed him and wouldn't let go. I wouldn't call that a huge effort on the part of the police.
Finally, we have another recent case of a cyclist hitting a ped and stopping (Beacon Way at College). Last I heard there, the police were talking a lot like they do when a car hits a ped/cyclist. I.e., "There was no sign of drug or alcohol use. The cyclist/driver was released. We are investigating to see if charges are warranted."
Lee: the article Jeff linked says Pike and First (the scramble intersection). One could make a tenuous argument that the bike is allowed to cross on red, as a pedestrian. But that doesn't excuse assault and hit and run, just red light running.
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Jace
Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:27 am
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Lee, I'm pretty sure this happened at the 1 and Pike intersection. If your not a fucking professional messenger then you should put a break on your bike. And still there is about five breakless messengers out of 45 total messengers left in this city. This shit really pisses me off.
I cross this intersection about once a day. I go from Pike Place to Pike Street with the cross walk. I see cars running that red light about once a week. Its just one of those places that you have to stop and look once you get the walk sign to avoid a car barreling threw on the red.
The traffic turning northbound from 1 Avenue to Pike Street has a no turn on red sign. I have almost been hit there because of cars making the illegal right turn.
I would like to point out that it could be argued as legal to ride up pike place with SMC 11.40.140.
ksep
Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:50 am
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gsbarnes wrote:
Are there really 81 King County cases from 2007 of hit-and-run (vs. pedestrian) drivers getting tracked down but not prosecuted?
There were 468 [reported] collisions in Seattle involving pedestrians in 2008. A majority happened downtown and were caused by drivers failing to yield the right-of-way, according to SDOT.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:56 am
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lantius wrote:
you know, if we had a pedestrian tax we could get these pedestrians out of the road and onto separated pedestrian paths. we could just charge a small fee on every pair of shoes!
Not all pedestrians wear shoes! Tax their feets tax their feets!
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