dick wang's fatherJoined: 26 Aug 2008Posts: 1707Location: devenshire
Can I delete these files without making outlook go nuts?
They = about 10gb and I want the space back.
I use this at home to check various web email accounts.
And go.
henry
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:20 pm
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You should have those all forwarding to a gmail account with it's unlimited space.
I believe there's a utility for uploading old emails to gmail floating around somewhere, that's about all i can offer though.
OST is a copy of the email on your server. If you don't want them then you should reconfigure Outlook into online mode instead of cached mode.
PST files are local copies of email which aren't on your server.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:12 am
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If you've configured Outlook to use a pop3 server then you'll be deleting all of your email.
You mentioned that you use this personally to check web email account so I assume that you're either using pop3 or imap to access them. Imap leaves email on the server, pop3 downloads from the server and removes.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:15 am
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regular taco wrote:
pop3 downloads from the server and removes.
Actually in gmail's case, with pop3 you can configure it not remove messages once they've been downloaded. But I think that's the exception.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:29 am
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regular taco wrote:
Actually in gmail's case, with pop3 you can configure it not remove messages once they've been downloaded. But I think that's the exception.
With POP3, it's the client that determines if the mail is retained on the server. I'd think all clients - and know Outlook for sure - can do this. No reason to be certain items in a PST don't still have a copy on the server side.
henry wrote:
I believe there's a utility for uploading old emails to gmail floating around somewhere, that's about all i can offer though.
I agree having Gmail check all this crap is good, especially if you don't need to reply from each individual account. And if you want to upload stuff from your local/PST files more selectively, I'd imagine you could just connect to Gmail via IMAP and drag over what you want?
Also, make sure you actually NEED all the PST files you have, and they're not just relics that aren't even loading in Outlook. You can find the location for each file loaded at Tools > Options > Mail Setup (tab) > Data Files.
OST's, as already mentioned, can be avoided w/ removing offline capabilities. Or you can at least limit their size using the techniques here.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:00 am
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greghxc wrote:
With POP3, it's the client that determines if the mail is retained on the server.
My bad. Not sure why I thought this was the standard behavior. I guess all the old clients I used back in the day acted like that by default.
derrickito
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:03 am
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one of the best things i ever did was to stop using outlook as an email reader for my pop accounts. hate.
tehschkott
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:09 am
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One of the best things I ever did was stop using POP.
Real men use IMAP. And Mutt.
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lantius
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:17 am
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i connect to my gmail account with pine.
one of the best things i've done recently is to stop running my own mail server in my basement.
henry
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:22 am
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One of the best things i've done recently was eat a delicious dinner and then have sex with a beautiful woman.
One of the best things I ever did was stop using POP.
Real men use IMAP. And Mutt.
Mutt has about the worst IMAP implementation that I've ever seen.
Pine sucks in many ways, but it is a good IMAP client.
jeff
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:27 am
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Can we stop this nerdfest and start talking about riding bikes tonight?
mcrawfor
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:19 pm
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tehschkott wrote:
One of the best things I ever did was stop using POP.
Real men use IMAP. And Mutt.
This is funny becaues mutt sucks at imap and has to redownload all message headers every time you open a folder.
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tehschkott
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:27 pm
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I don't use mutt. I was trolling.
I do however use IMAP. When I ran my own servers I'd use Squirrelmail or PINE if all I had was a console. Or an older version of GroupOffice who's mail module was really badass because you could manage and maintain multiple IMAP accounts via webmail interface. Am looking at roundcube now but am not hopeful.
Things I don't keep on workstations: Mail, Instant Messenger, Documents, Pictures, or anything I actually give a shit about.
Things I do keep on workstations: music. movies.
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:38 pm
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so if you were a contemporary urban male with pop and imap accounts, as well as a completely seperate web access gmail account and would like to combine all of the above but not run that mother fucker of a program, outlook, but still having the functionality of said mother fucker, which program would you choose?
TL;DR;FU;bbq?
pop & imap & gmail - which program should i use.
tehschkott
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:40 pm
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How many separate accounts total?
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the dreaded ben
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:04 pm
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tehschkott wrote:
How many separate accounts total?
3
mcrawfor
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:05 pm
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Ben, I'd just forward everything to Gmail if I could, and use gmail's automatic reply-as-the-address-this-was-sent-to feature.
If you really want to run an actual program on your actual computer, which is very late-90s, then I'd use thunderbird.
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If all three accounts are gmail accounts, I'm with Miles on the gmail forwarding thing. If not, then I think Thunderbird or it's ilk is where you're at.
@miles - google can do a limited amount of header spoofing to fake it, but most mail servers use reverse DNS lookups to verify sender is not a spammer doing that very thing. When the DNS lookup comes back with a negative response, it's going to deny receipt of the email.
I mean I could be wrong and maybe google has some magic that makes it work, but that reverse DNS lookup is pretty standard fare as a first-line spam defense.
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lantius
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:25 pm
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ben, just forward all your email to me. i'll go through it and make sure to pass on the important ones in a timely manner.
henry
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:59 pm
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lantius wrote:
ben, just forward all your email to me. i'll go through it and make sure to pass on the important ones in a timely manner.
I mean I could be wrong and maybe google has some magic that makes it work, but that reverse DNS lookup is pretty standard fare as a first-line spam defense.
That reverse DNS lookup is checking against the EHLO command that the SMTP server sends, not the From: line of the message. It is legal to relay email through other domains (mailing lists do it all the time), so you can't block email if the From: line doesn't match the server.
There are a few standards (SPF is the one that I can remember the name of) for stuffing extra information into DNS to say which servers are allowed to send email on behalf of your domain. They aren't widely enough used to be very effective though.
saccade
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:21 pm
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Gmail has an option to store your password and use your SMTP server of choice when sending via another account.
tehschkott
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:48 am
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Alex wrote:
tehschkott wrote:
I mean I could be wrong and maybe google has some magic that makes it work, but that reverse DNS lookup is pretty standard fare as a first-line spam defense.
That reverse DNS lookup is checking against the EHLO command that the SMTP server sends, not the From: line of the message. It is legal to relay email through other domains (mailing lists do it all the time), so you can't block email if the From: line doesn't match the server.
There are a few standards (SPF is the one that I can remember the name of) for stuffing extra information into DNS to say which servers are allowed to send email on behalf of your domain. They aren't widely enough used to be very effective though.
That makes sense now that you say it. I mean there are obviously ways around the reverse DNS lookup. I still see spam from blackcannon.org or sweetbike.org or whatever on occasion, when obviously I'm not sending myself spam; QED header spoofing is still happening and some methods are more effective than others. And you're right, SPF is not used widely enough to be an effective mechanism. It's interesting that Google has leveraged some of these tools to effect a feature they then offer the public - to my knowledge nobody else has done this, or maybe I just haven't looked either.
Now you see why I ride around getting drunk and trying to set shit on fire all the time. My head is full of crap like this LALALALA.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:52 am
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So, here's a tl;dr for this thread:
fatasian: question
henry: answer
everyone: Blahaaaa
everyone: but yeah, what henry said
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