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those are shorts IMO,
caustic meatloaf
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:43 pm
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Chip McShoulder wrote:
caustic meatloaf wrote:
If you wanted loose knickers, Ibex also makes a pair, but they're $160 goddamned dollars
Are these what you're talking about? How long are they? They don't look like they go past the knee.
There seems to be some general disagreement on the difference between long shorts / knickers / 3/4-length.
Yup, those are them. I saw them at the Bike Expo, and they're essentially a plus four length knicker. Still, $160 to me seems silly - they don't have any kind of chamois, and the fabric, while nice, is very light. They are essentially a pair of wool pants that're short.
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Alex
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:01 pm
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Razi wrote:
Has anyone does this?
I've knickerified my own pants before. You can buy a whole sewing machine for $10 on Craigslist if you look around. I used to knickerify wool suit pants and wear those.
Razi wrote:
Is there some other feature of knickers that make them different than trousers with really high cuffs?
The Mountain Hardware ones have drawstrings to tie the cuff closed (so it doesn't get stuck in the spokes) and the knees are pulled together a bit with darts so that the knicker's natural tendency is for the knees to be slightly bent. The crotch doesn't have a seam down the middle, which is hard to find on good synthetic pants but a lot more comfortable on the bike. They have an integrated belt which is good for my fat butt and ever changing weight. The fabric has a good feel and isn't too light or too heavy. So overall there are a lot of little details which make them work nicely for $60ish.
Of course this means that they were discontinued. Maybe I should have bought more than 2 pairs.
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Chip McShoulder
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:14 pm
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How about these (and here they are in some more sizes) compared to the Mountain Hardware ones? It's hard to tell from the product description which of the features they might have in common with the ones you described.
Man, what's up with the lack of availability of my size in knickers? Seems like everyone is out-of-stock of M (or S, depending on the brand).
At the end of the season, that would make sense, but at the beginning?
These, however, look sort of promising as a base layer. Anyone own/tried them?
jimmythefly wrote:
Chip McShoulder wrote:
Man, what's up with the lack of availability of my size in knickers? Seems like everyone is out-of-stock of M (or S, depending on the brand).
At the end of the season, that would make sense, but at the beginning?
These, however, look sort of promising as a base layer. Anyone own/tried them?
They'd be almost too much as a base layer. They're pretty thick, meant to be worn alone as the outer layer. You might wear thinner nylon shorts over them or maybe cut-off thin wool dress pants, but denim would be too much. The windproof bit over the knees is really nice. I like mine, but too fatty size-wise for you to test out.
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Buddy of mine wears them, and he enjoys them.
I have the bib shorts that I wear, because I'm fat and I hate it when my shorts slide down my ass crack.
If you wanted loose knickers, Ibex also makes a pair, but they're $160 goddamned dollars
I run either/or. The bib el fito combined with the thin trousers makes for excellent Seattle winter layers sub 50F, at least for my engine. The bibs feel thick to the touch but the breathability is crazy good. I've worn them in summer (? Fuck you Seattle "summer" of 2011) and felt pretty regulated though I'd rather run the shorts in hot weather.
Be warned that the trouser knickers will only last 1000 miles due to lack of gusseting. I'm working with a rep as a semi-sponsored rider and I asked him if I could include you all in "pro deals" since we are the woolen types. He said that L is the usual test size but when I showed him my blown out pair I received a new M right before leaving for the recent travels.
Team .83 members in good graces may purchase either of those for sub $100 through my wholesaler, I forget the exact cost.
If handled well we could have some bitchen prizes for future alley cats.
FHR anyone?
I'll look at the workbooks tomorrow morning to shed light on 2012 Ibex product.
I heart Ibex.
I regret not visiting their big store in Boston when passing through.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:55 pm
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the fhr is ALWAYS on the look out for good sponsors and gear. i'd love it if you could hook us up with whatever you can wrangle together. ibex would rock, i've tried to get them in the past but haven't had any luck. we did get a few ibex things through clever cycles one year, but never from corporate.
if you get anyone on the line that wants to talk about details for fhr, give them my contact info.
im trying to get more hard goods this year. hopefully a bike or frames or such.
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I like to pull strings.
And fingers.
That ECMR got me thinking about all kinds of strings to pull and I'll have the time to do so this winter.
On it.
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rock. hit me with any questions. i'll have flyers and website info up in january, but can chat with anyone before that if needed.
You give up the back pocket, but gain underarm ventilation. Price is the same. It also isn't on sale right now.
I pondered one but do not own one yet. I'd meant to try one on in the store.
denny just got this one, i think.
so it must be better than all the other jackets at everything it does.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:48 am
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denny if that is true can you chime back in on what size you picked and how it fits?
dennyt
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:03 pm
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Not exactly, I got the Stratos 2.0 in orange. It's $10 more than the Verita, the fabric is heavier, and it has pit zips. I got it as a reliable ride-in-the-rain-no-matter-what jacket. I like that it doesn't flap in the wind at 30mph. It fits me better than the Verita (both size L for me, 6' 200lbs). Great arm reach, and a stowable rear mud flap that I might use when mountain biking.
It feels a little warm if the temps are over 55. It was totally waterproof in that 10 minute cloudburst that soaked the rest of me and stung my face two days ago. But then there were rainbows. Cool story, bros?
When I put cleats on the Lake winter shoes I found at recycled, I'm gonna be one sexy winter-commuting mofo.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:22 am
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Pro-tip:
Careful with the suspenders. I damaged one side due to a rapid biological.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:39 am
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i love bibs, but dammit they are hard to piss out of. would it be so hard to make a flap in the front?
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caustic meatloaf
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:09 am
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very true. I feel like a contortionist every time I take a whiz. And god forbid I need to take a dump - may as well just completely disrobe. But it keeps the boys tucked away correctly, and that's a surprisingly difficult thing to find with a lot of shorts OR knickers.
and I look awesome in 'em. Especially when I tuck a couple socks down there.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:04 pm
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Bibs on .83 rides are a pain but for a commute they are pretty good since you usually don't have to stop in restrooms.
Tara
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:08 am
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Ladies: Chrome's Women's knickers are on sale for $79 on their website. still spendy but better than $120. Also they have a super cute pair of pink kursk shoes for $40 and $20 of it gets donated to breast cancer research, think I might get me a pair!
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:53 pm
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Tara wrote:
Ladies: Chrome's Women's knickers are on sale for $79 on their website. still spendy but better than $120. Also they have a super cute pair of pink kursk shoes for $40 and $20 of it gets donated to breast cancer research, think I might get me a pair!
i've found that ladies' chromes are cut weird: more for people shaped like fred than for people shaped like, well, girls. but you're shaped like a girl (and look damn good in your bike pants, too); what's the style name that you like?
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jimmythefly
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:31 pm
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Emily (Mrs. Jimmythefly) has a pair of the Vanya in M.
She says they fit pretty well maybe a touch large in the waist. (normally a 8ish in most women's clothing).
Bought them at Recycled Cycles.
Chip McShoulder
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:28 pm
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So this year, I'm going the route of hemming some wool and polyester dress-pants into knickers (instead of just rolling them up, like I have previously). I'm also thinking about scotch-guarding them... has anyone tried this? Is it a terrible idea? I might just do the front of the pants to maintain some breathability.
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Kori just got a set of the norvara wimminz rain pants if any of you womanly shaped wimminz needs some rain pants and the usual "needs to eat a fucking cheeseburger or 100" sized women's gear is getting you down.
Style: Women's Stratos 2.0 pants
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:23 pm
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Costco on 4th Ave South is currently selling a merino wool blend base layer. $25 for the top and $25 for the bottoms. There were a bunch of size mediums when I was there today but I doubt they'll last long.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:08 pm
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I think I saw those at the Costco in Philadelphia when I was visiting with my dad. When I read the fine print they were 8% wool, 92% plastic. $25 would be great for merino long johns, but seems expensive for polypro.
Maybe they have new ones with a better blend?
The socks are awesome though, and I'm excited that a friend picked up a second package of them for me.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:20 pm
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Chip McShoulder wrote:
So this year, I'm going the route of hemming some wool and polyester dress-pants into knickers (instead of just rolling them up, like I have previously). I'm also thinking about scotch-guarding them... has anyone tried this? Is it a terrible idea? I might just do the front of the pants to maintain some breathability.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:42 pm
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Chip McShoulder wrote:
So this year, I'm going the route of hemming some wool and polyester dress-pants into knickers (instead of just rolling them up, like I have previously). I'm also thinking about scotch-guarding them... has anyone tried this? Is it a terrible idea? I might just do the front of the pants to maintain some breathability.
Actually, that's a dang good idea. I wouldn't mind having a pair of "light" knickers, and I as well have a couple pairs of old dress pants that I no longer wear. Let me know how it works out if you do it; I may shamelessly copy your idea.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:44 am
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When I put cleats on the Lake winter shoes I found at recycled, I'm gonna be one sexy winter-commuting mofo.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I hope I never have to keep my pants on bad enough to wear those.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:29 am
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Eric_s wrote:
Kori just got a set of the norvara wimminz rain pants if any of you womanly shaped wimminz needs some rain pants and the usual "needs to eat a fucking cheeseburger or 100" sized women's gear is getting you down.
Style: Women's Stratos 2.0 pants
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:00 pm
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tehschkott wrote:
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I hope I never have to keep my pants on bad enough to wear those.
Luckily those pants don't do much of anything to make old BMW seats more comfortable so you shouldn't find them necessary.
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caustic meatloaf wrote:
Chip McShoulder wrote:
So this year, I'm going the route of hemming some wool and polyester dress-pants into knickers (instead of just rolling them up, like I have previously). I'm also thinking about scotch-guarding them... has anyone tried this? Is it a terrible idea? I might just do the front of the pants to maintain some breathability.
Actually, that's a dang good idea. I wouldn't mind having a pair of "light" knickers, and I as well have a couple pairs of old dress pants that I no longer wear. Let me know how it works out if you do it; I may shamelessly copy your idea.
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Ok, I haven't scotch-guarded them yet, but here's a look at the hemming. I got these pants from value village for $7, pretty cheap! Usually when I go to buy dress-pants there, the trouble I have is that, being a tall-skinny guy, if they fit around my waist, the leg is too short. This was nice and easy, because with hemming in mind, I didn't really give a shit about the inseam.
Anyway, Talia was kind enough to do the sewing for me, and I think it came out pretty well (if you don't sew, or have someone who does handy, you can probably get a tailor/dry-cleaner to do it for ~$10). There's a little bit of puckering at the hem, but I think this is mostly because the original cut of the pants was slightly flared. Why? I have no idea - I didn't know this was ever fashionable. If you were to find pants with a straight leg, you'd probably be in better shape. I imagine if the cut was tapered, you might get some puckering also.
But I mostly care about the function of the pants, so I'm very happy to live with these. I'll let you guys know how the scotch-guarding goes (which I'll do after I clean the water spots off my mirror).
i don't think anyone's brought this place up before, so i'm bringing it up now:
hub and bespoke.
it's not NEARLY as precious as it looks from the outside. in fact one of the co-owners, juliette, is inside that door just waiting to help you try on twenty gajillion pairs of pants in a wide variety of sizes and cuts, and she'll geek out with you about bike commuting while you're doing it. she. is. awesome. and the store is chock-full of (yes, expensive, but also well-chosen and well-made) goodies for people- like us- who ride bikes every day.
there's lots of wool in there right now, and lots of lovely, lovely jackets that are some of the hawtest bike wear i've ever seen, and ladies: lots of lovely, plushy wool and synthetic tights (both the super-expensive and the regular kind), and bike-y underwear that'll keep the bits happy AND look cute.
do i sound like a commercial? why yes, yes i do. i've been to three different bike stores and tried on more pairs of bike pants than i can count and been foiled time and time again (hence biking in soggy jeans, no fun), and here i hit bike-pant gold on the first try (hint: it's a non-bike brand i've never seen anywhere else, super-stretchy, called equestrian- juliette's had her pair for TWENTY YEARS and they've NEVER SPRUNG A LEAK).
what else did i find here? i found a girl who makes bespoke wool bike pants for women, and both custom and off-the-rack wool bike pants for guys (custom inseams, you tall/skinny kids). she'll also take your favorite pair of pants, deconstruct them, and make a brand-new pair of nifty winter bike-appropriate pants from the pattern. her name and contact information are:
is it all spendy? yes. if anyone else has been having trouble finding good stuff that fits, though, it might be worth it to you.
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Chip McShoulder
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:12 pm
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Preliminary reports:
The homemade knickers are working well. Haven't tried them in serious rain yet, but so far: yay.
Bought the Ibex El Fito wool knickers and wore them under the homemade knickers last night. Nice and cozy.
Cons: Kind of expensive, and the fact that they're meant to be worn sans-underwear means I'll be washing them more than I would other pants/knickers.
I'll probably be using these more for longer rides, rather than commuting.
Ordered a pair of these, and they came today. Haven't ridden in them yet (obviously), but
*) Knees are darted.
*) No taint-seam.
*) Made of a comfortable slightly-stretchy nylon that is treated with Scotch-guard and supposed to be water-repellent (though I have yet to confirm or deny this).
*) Regular pockets (side and back) + a zippered side-pocket mid-thigh on the right side.
*) Vent holes on inner thigh and pockets are mesh-lined for breathability.
*) Integrated adjustable waistband.
No drawstring in the cuff, but otherwise they seem to be pretty comparable to the (discontinued) Mtn. Hardware knickers Alex recommended.
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